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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
But now, they have killed thousands of innocent people after we helped those ungraful bladders in the cold war.
Looks like you have chosen poorly whom to help... maybe seeking for other allies would do better than that...? Don't tell me it wasn't risky to give weapons to some trigger-happy Arabs, such as Iraqi, and forgetting to think ahead "what might happen next if they are gonna feel too strong" was a major mistake.
I just hate this "war on terrorism" propaganda, where US is playing the holy knight on the white horse(TM) while France and Germany are playing flower-sniffing, peace-loving hippie. All of those countries were pumping arms to uncle Saddam when Iran was the bad guy. So, back then, when Saddam won his high position by covert murders inside the party and other brutal policies, he wasn't "a sadistic dictator" yet? It's just like saying that Hitler was still a good guy in, say, 1936, coz he didn't start the war yet...
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I am not giving the IRA a free pass, but I would hope that Ireland could do something about them themsleves. The IRA arent' international terrrorists and aren't an immediate threat to America. And they aren't apart of a sadistic regime. I'm not saying they don't deserve justice. Actually I don't really know much about them.
"Ignorance is strenght" -- '1984' by G.Orwell
They surely are international, as they don't use Irish weapons, but those bought in Europe and USA. They didn't blow up a skyscrapper yet (mostly because you don't have that much of them in UK, ya know, Euro architecture and all) but they did kill dozens of people... not an immediate threat to America? Was Iraq one? Without ICBMs, SSBNs or even transatlantic bomber? Yes, the dirty case bomb... but everyone can use such weapon, even IRA.
The point is that US would have little business in sending expensive expedition there. Even Britain could feel uneasy with so many Yanks so close. And there are many people in America (loads of citizens with Irish origins) who support IRAs cause deep in their hearts...
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RRs, I am sixteen if you must know. Yes. Laugh if you want. Dismiss me as a stupid child. I don't care.
But I do care Darth Chaltab. I didn't ask you about your age to laugh at you, but to properly assess who am I talking to. It's even better that you are young, as you can still change your way of thinking. I do care about young generation. On other forum, where I hold fairly high position, I'm often approached by teenagers asking lame questions. Instead of saying "go bother someone else", I give them directions, sent to proper book titles etc. to assure they won't go on the street robbing old ladies, but will continue to develop their interests in the subject on their own. I may be not so idealistic as ricarleite, as I don't believe in utopia, but I do admitt: by showing the right way to our offsprings we may help to create a better world. Not ideal, devoid of wars - wars will always happen, as people will always sin, until the end of this world. But we may help to move those wars away from us, to some unstable countries, or at least make them less severe and less frequent.
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His father (i.e. G.Bush Senior) was too soft in the first war inIraq
True. He should have overthrown Saddam back in early 1990s, when Iraq was on its knees.
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And don't get me started on Clinton.
LOL!
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I know the US isn't guiltless but we have been on the right side of every war we've been involved in. We nevered conquered another country.
The world is not all black-or-white, i.e. good or evil. Take Vietnam for instance. Surely, the aim was to hold commie influence, but it didn't develop very nicely and in the result your country is not so proud of this war after all, eh?
And about the conquering thing: do you know Wolfowitz and his doctrines? If it was, let say, France, who would aim at global domination, would you be happy about it?
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Why does the USSR keep coming up?
The Soviet Union didn't just pop into non-existence. They're still there, albeit in some different borders. Their leader is a former high-ranked KGB officer (just look in his eyes, LOL). A Russian general recently proposed shooting down every single NATO aircraft that will wander into Russian airspace...
When you talk about politics, you must look at the broad scope. This includes looking into past, something that many Americans have trouble with. You seem to only look at the fragments shown on TV, which are pre-selected before broadcasting.
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) Cold War was forming some sort of ballance - two strong boxers brawling, but none can get an edge over another. The old alliances and sentiments are present even today, but the lack of those two powers caused some small countries to go on a wanton destruction spree.The shape of modern world was forged when the spoils of WW2 were divided between the victors. WW2 - an old story? Perhaps, but it decided on where your or my country are right now.
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What is wrong with the US profiting from something?
Then at least admit it, and stop calling it "Operation: Iraqi Freedom". I hate hipocrisy.
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the war rescued something like thirty million people from a sadistic dictator.
I wouldn't be so sure if they're happy now. I'll bet that if we could make an nation-wide poll in Iraq, the answer "Yes, we are grateful to US for intervention" wouldn't be picked by majority...
And if your gut is strong enough, check this out and tell me if you are still feeling OK about the "liberation of Iraq"... (pretty graphic stuff, I don't recommend eating and watching this...
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And it is apalling that you suggest we should have done nothing in response to 9-11.
Well, I didn't say that, for certain. I just wish you weren't supporting those armed paramilitary groups in decades past and simply wiped them out when they were not as strong as they are today. Great target practice for the products of the SkunkWorks(R)
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We backed down around every corner in the Clinton administration and still got attacked.
Yes, I'm sure it was that sissy Clinton who enraged them and not Bush Senior, who got those M1A1s on Iraqi deserts in the first place.
And about you trusting Bush so much, I suggest visiting few webpages (some links are on this very forum) and reading articles written by independent journalists. Heck, you don'y have to believe them, at least you gonna learn what the "enemies of the state" are saying about the "courageous" President.
And if you ask me "why do you hate GWB so much", I will say: I