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Monroville said:

Frankly, I personally like Angel's image below as an alternative:



Even so, I can understand the Executor having it's 2 standard escorts, as most large vessels (such as aircraft carriers and battleships) always have escorts for various reasons.  Now an alternative possibility could be to show the 2 SDs (one on either side) move up and to the right as, after they help guide/escort the Executor out of the asteroid field they peel off to go right back in to continue the search. 



 Also, would it be conceivable to show laser fire and/or explosions in the far distance inside the asteroid field to show something of the fleet's presence within it?

In regards to another point Angel made, I know you would not be able to use the detail on the underbelly (in the 2nd shot) for the shot above it, as the bespin shot is further up the Executor's body... but I could also see the entire Executor replaced with the flipped Bespin shot, so as to give it greater detail:



Even so, would it be conceivable to add more asteroids around the Executor, as well as hitting the Executor shields?  Not so much causing damage (as the Executor shields would be powerful enough to slog through without taking damage to the ship itself), but again to show how congested the asteroid field is?

I like these ideas a lot Monroville!

You ve manage to make the missing links to my mockups :D

I see the missing/black detail shot with the new one is out standing and it really reveals many detail without ruining anything IMO. I see you managed to make the lights more blueish like the original comp ;)

You said it perfectly that executor always have some ship around it apart the last shots that vader wants skywalker alone.

I really dig alternative angles and more powerful angles that can show variation and a more complete "revisited" feeling. More detail more variation=Revisited

I would love to see some shield action from executor or even some laser action that can clearly open a path or destroy big or small asteroids compare with the weak standard SDs.

( i reposted my pic via M's post, because the link appeared broken) :)

-Angel

I really hope you 2 realize that there is not much screen time in those shots to make some of those changes you want worth while.

I hope ady leaves it as original as it can be. Revisited doesn't necessarily mean change for the sake of change.

I said some, not 'ALL' .  Lights are not a problem. Flying Asteroids are not a problem. Blasting asteroids could pose a problem. Escort ships turning away, major problem. There is not enough time in that scene to make that idea work with the established shot. The executor barely clears the asteroid field before it cuts to vader entering the holo chamber to talk to the emperor. Now, how much time are you going to have to show any escort ship pull off and return to the asteroid field before the scene cuts to Vader?

You would have to make a brand new shot to make that happen, and thats totally unnecessary Just to please the "We just gotta change it because it's REVISITED".

I'm in favor for any change if it fixes any major continuity or technical problem. I'm not in favor of change just for the sake of something new if in fact it does not serve the plot at all. If it does then thats great, otherwise,  just popping in eye candy for the sake of it does not impress me.  Thats not what Revisited should be about.

Yeah, Ady is really level headed person. He makes pretty reasonable decisions.

Yeh, there is no way i would lengthen a shot just to make it look cool or to show off a new shot. I've had quite a few people beg me to lengthen the new shot of the falcon taking off from the platform during the bespin escape so you can see the falcon fly away. But there is no way i would do that. That is not what Revisited is about and never will be. I'm not going to change something just because it looks cool.

The executor exiting the asteroid field work perfectly well the way it is. It doesn't need an angle change or adding stardestroyers or anything else, so i won't be changing it. And the stardestroyer that gets destroyed, yes the underbelly of the Executor is darker than we see it any other time but there is a reason for this and the mock-up proves it. Give the underbelly the detail and lightness to match other shots and you're looking at the Executor. Take away that brightness of the undebelly, as in the original (admittedly the was a very slight amount of detail visible prior to the 2004 transfer, but still it was hardly visible), and your eye now focuses on the stardestroyer coming in from the right lower side of the screen, which is exactly where you should be looking

And one thing i really can't understand Angel is that you started off this suggestion of altering the executors exit from the asteroid field because you originally thought it was a re-used & flipped shot, yet you say to change it to a different angle which would have meant re-using an existing shot. What would be the point in that? That wouldn't have fixed anything but it would be  just changing the shot to "make it look cool", yet the same re-used problem would still be there.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

I said some, not 'ALL' .  Lights are not a problem. Flying Asteroids are not a problem. Blasting asteroids could pose a problem. Escort ships turning away, major problem. There is not enough time in that scene to make that idea work with the established shot. The executor barely clears the asteroid field before it cuts to vader entering the holo chamber to talk to the emperor. Now, how much time are you going to have to show any escort ship pull off and return to the asteroid field before the scene cuts to Vader?

You would have to make a brand new shot to make that happen, and thats totally unnecessary Just to please the "We just gotta change it because it's REVISITED".

Guys (specifically ABD): the whole point to making suggestions is "to make suggestions". 

Granted, it's been awhile since I've seen EMPIRE, so I'd like to rewatch if for no other reason than to just watch these scenes in question to time the beats of the music as well as the length of specific scenes.

Some of the ideas (such as the 2 escorts and the asteroids hitting the Executor shields in the SD bridge destruction shot) are kinda "it would be cool to maybe see it" type ideas, but nothing that HAS to be done or I would even consider to be important, such as correcting a continuity error or the like. 

Even so, (1) the scene with the Executor leaving the asteroid field lasts roughly 3 to 4 seconds (counting 1001, etc); my idea was not to show the SDs literally turning around and heading the opposite direction.  My idea was to show the SDs beginning their "slow-down and move to the upper right" at the beginning of the scene, ala the F14 fighters in EXECUTIVE DECISION (where they just slowed their speed down compared to the 747 they were tailing, thus visually giving the impression of moving backwards).  So the SDs would continue pointing forward, but would slide back and to the right, as they completed their escort job and return back to the asteroid field.  Visually it would also enhance the Executor's own movement outside of the asteroid field (as the literal visual is the Executor remains primarily in place as the asteroid field moves to the right and partially out of frame), as it would show 2 objects moving in opposite directions in contrast to the asteroid field (which would be still moving out of frame, but would still act as a more static background object).  Even so, it all comes down to time and visual asthetic and how it works.  It is not necessary, but if it works visually it could be a nice touch (and add to the military nature of the Empire as it would reflect a very real military aspect of modern military structure).

The (2) idea could be a more realistic suggestion, though it may add difficulty to overlaying the foreground SD bridge explosion.

Regardless, they are just ideas put out for Ady or anyone else's digestion.  Either they will be used or they won't.  Either way I will be prepped with popcorn on the release day.  >:)

adywan said:

The executor exiting the asteroid field work perfectly well the way it is. It doesn't need an angle change or adding stardestroyers or anything else, so i won't be changing it. And the stardestroyer that gets destroyed, yes the underbelly of the Executor is darker than we see it any other time but there is a reason for this and the mock-up proves it. Give the underbelly the detail and lightness to match other shots and you're looking at the Executor. Take away that brightness of the undebelly, as in the original (admittedly the was a very slight amount of detail visible prior to the 2004 transfer, but still it was hardly visible), and your eye now focuses on the stardestroyer coming in from the right lower side of the screen, which is exactly where you should be looking

 

Ady: I respect your opinion and again want to emphasize that it is easy for any of us to criticize when you are doing all the hard work, buuut I have to disagree a bit.  Not altering the Executor appearance/angle nor adding escort SDs I can understand, as the whole point of the shot is to simply show the Executor leaving the asteroid field so Vader can take Palpy's message.. while the idea could work and look good, it is not really necessary.

The other point I completely disagree with.  Even my simple mock-up primarily using Angel's image would not distract from the SD bridge blowing up any more than the large side of the Executor distracts from the tiny Falcon flying along side it at the end.  The Executor is still darker than the lighter colored SD command tower, and I think people will definitely see the large explosion when the large asteroid hits it, as the viewer's eyes usually follow movement as well as colors and tints, ie. when the asteroid enters the left side of the screen, the eye will automatically be attracted to the movement which would immediately draw them to the exploding SD tower.

Also, as an artist, I am sure you notice the 2 diagonal lines created in the mock-up: by putting the background SD escort on the upper left (which leads a diagonal line to the foreground SD tower), with the asteroid belt creating another diagonal line which leads you to the oncoming asteroid, you literally give the eye a path to follow, as opposed to the original shot which uses a much cheaper visual means of making the SD tower stand out (which again, is not really necessary, as the tower blows up, of which whose explosion takes up a good 1/3 to 1/2 of the viewing screen).



Even so, it is your edit, and if it is easy enough to do (as a lot of us, especially myself, are guilty of saying), there is nothing stopping Angel or myself from creating a tweaked EMPIRE:R with the alternate Executor angle leaving the asteroid field and the above altered SD tower explosion scene.

And one thing i really can't understand Angel is that you started off this suggestion of altering the executors exit from the asteroid field because you originally thought it was a re-used & flipped shot, yet you say to change it to a different angle which would have meant re-using an existing shot. What would be the point in that? That wouldn't have fixed anything but it would be  just changing the shot to "make it look cool", yet the same re-used problem would still be there.

I think Angel was simply making an argument over visual asthetics.  While it is not necessary to change the visual angle of the Executor when it leaves the AF, it would be nice to see (but not necessary) an alternate view other than the same general view.  Regarding the SD tower destruction scene, yes Angel is using a flipped shot, but as a matter of using a better lit scene as opposed to flipping a shot for the sake of it. I guess you could compare it to the constructive use of the EMPIRE fleet scene in ANH:R during the Death Star reveal.

Also, any word on (1) the yellow/orange lights on the Executor nose being recolored to match the blue along the side of the ship and (2) will the Executor side be adjusted to match the darker, more lit-up look when the Falcon flies along side at the very end?

Sluggo: I understand; per my own self-imposed rules upon my own posts, I will argue my case for no more than 3 posts (with images to help illustrate my point), not so much to argue someone into submission but if I feel I'm not illustrating my point good enough or just have a disagreement.  Regardless, it is still just a suggestion and as long as the argument is civil I would think it would be okay.  It's still just words after all... <:)


Besides, you have to at least give us credit for keeping it on topic...

BTW, if anyone wanted to do the alternate Executor leaving the asteroid field scene per Angel's pic, here is a hi-rez version:

What's bad is I'm pretty sure all of those TIEs were redone for the SE. This is a new mistake, or at least a repeated one.

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