STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 843

steamboy said:

Jesus. If you dont have the integrity to stand by your suggestions, you shouldn't post them in the first place.

 

Indeed.

Ghostbusters, try to bear in mind just how much effort Ady is putting into this, during a year that's been pretty damn rough on him. While we can all enjoy what he does, remember that he owes us nothing and doesn't have to reassure you about the Wampa or anything else. There's absolutely nothing wrong with constructive criticism but you were just rude.

Anyway.

Hey, is anyone else having troubles viewing the last page? I can only scroll down to half of it.....

Yeah I had the same problem. No idea why, not to worry.

You didn't miss anything.

Angel, I believe adywan already stated that he is not adding effects like reflections and glare to glass. But I could be wrong.

^^I think that starfield is way too dense (or too obvious, if you like).

Lord Grievous said:

I know I'm a bit late with this, but I really like this shot:

Although I think that the transports should be moved a bit further back to enhance the scale.

I agree. The transports need to be further up in the picture, or the men in the left side of the picture need to be removed. The relationship between those men and the men in the foreground sets a scale that clashes with the scale between the foreground and the starship. There is no way to convince me that the starships are located at a lower elevation than the pilots.

The haze over the starship in the original picture helps a lot with the scale as well. A background element should never have better focus than the foreground.

vaderios said:

its the same starfield with different levels ;) all the elements are original

 

-Angel

That's why I edited my post to add "too obvious."

Darth Lars said:

I agree. The transports need to be further up in the picture, or the men in the left side of the picture need to be removed. The relationship between those men and the men in the foreground sets a scale that clashes with the scale between the foreground and the starship. There is no way to convince me that the starships are located at a lower elevation than the pilots.

The transports are not at a lower elevation. They are at the same elevation, but a few hundred meters away in the background, sitting on the ground. I do not see anything wrong with the scale, personally.

Darth Lars said:

A background element should never have better focus than the foreground.

You can find many, many examples in cinema where the background is in focus while the foreground is not, or the background is equally in focus as the foreground. It has to do with depth of field and focal length, if I'm not mistaken. Akira Kurosawa, for example, was famous for positioning his camera far from the action and shooting with a telephoto lens to flatten the depth of field. This brought background elements right up against the foreground elements, creating almost a 2-dimensional effect. With the right positioning and focal length, a person in the background can be made to look larger than a person in the foreground. Cinematographers use a variety of such tricks to create or eliminate depth in a scene.

could you maybe change the story a bit so that everyone just, you know, gets on?  you could have yoga come back from the bog with luke and sit on his knee like a vintr... ventrilla... like a fucking dummy.  like orville used to with keith harris in the 80s and on harry hill's thing.

also, the wampa could be made ginger and he could be a great pal for chewie.  they could keep him in those secret compartments in the falcon when they don't need him.  even if it's just his arm that they bring.

and yes - i've obviously been drinking lots today.

the worst possible thing i could do now would be to click on POST REPLY.

asterisk8 said:

 

Darth Lars said:

A background element should never have better focus than the foreground.

You can find many, many examples in cinema where the background is in focus while the foreground is not, or the background is equally in focus as the foreground. It has to do with depth of field and focal length...

I think it's clear what Darth Lars was getting at. That shot doesn't work yet because the transports don't look like they're in the background. Yes, we know they are, but they don't look it. It needs either haze or blur or some of both. Obviously there are shots where the foreground is out of focus and we're look at the background, or the depth of field is crushed, or you can have both equally in focus - in fact a split dioptre was a great way of drawing your attention to both at the same time - but I know what Darth Lars was meaning in relation to this shot.

Keep in mind you're also looking at a still image. It's hard to even see the x-wings in that image, let alone any light blowing snow that is passing behind the pilot and in front of the transport. Also, adywan has opted for a much clearer day in this shot than the original. On a clear day, especially in winter, a giant ship 200 meters away is not going to appear hazy.

Yes this is a still image, but it's also a static shot, so that isn't going to make any difference. I understand how on a clear winter's day it won't necessarily be hazy, but you're talking real atmospherics. We're dealing with an image on a flat screen; sometimes you have to artificially create depth even if it's not conforming to real physics. But regardless, no matter what the weather, distance creates "haze" and lower contrast levels.

Just mucked about with the scale & position of the transport......

J

Lemonstein, yes the camera is static, but it's not a still image in the film. The people in the foreground are moving, the x-wings are flying, and snow is blowing. Here is a shot with a similarly-sized ship approximately the same distance from the camera.

No haze.

See, if we argue something long enough he gives us a new pic ;-)

Now, let's discuss new Cloud City mattes. :-)

Oh, asterisk8, you're quite mistaken about the ferry pic you posted. When I say "haze" I don't necessarily mean literal haze, like the air isn't clear. But if there is no change with distance, then you're saying the distinct blue tinting and contrast reduction seen on the mountain lines and trees suddenly stops before it reaches the ferry. It doesn't, it's just less obvious.

And it looks to me like in Ady's finished pic there is mostly definitely adjustment to the blacks in the distance, both the ships and the hangar entrance.

It's a lovely, lovely pic, by the way :-)