Re Strange monster sounds^^^
If you check out the film An EWOK Adventure (Caravan of Courage) there is actually a cool scene where Ewoks actually hunt down a giant Boar like monster with spears.
This would be a great insert into ROTJ, to show that these furry lil buggers can take down a giant beast, and are more than simply teddy bears.Also a great benefit is that its filmed in the same locale, and same costumes etc.
How good the monster looks now I dont know, as I have not seen the film since VHS was all the rage.
"Away put your weapon, I mean you no harm!"
I doubt that it would be in any quality that would be possible to insert into HD (or even anamorphic DVD) footage.
Yeah, unfortunately Harmy is probably right. The DVD of Caravan of Courage and Battle For Endor wasn't great quality; it was both movies squeezed onto one disc, and they were shot 1.33:1 so they would have to be significantly cropped, further reducing the image quality. Pity, though, anything to make the Ewoks more a believable ally would be great.
Maybe we can add a red shirt who actually does get spitroasted and eaten? :-)
Some of the Ewok films elements could be scaled down to fit into wider shots though.
Whole shots are almost certainly impossible to re-use.
I thought about that, it might be possible but still, I'm not sure whether it could fit in the story and also as far as I remember (I'd only seen it once as a kid), the monster was pretty lame and the effects work was pretty bad too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knjnt-6RROs
At around 4:00
The most that could be used from the Ewok film IMO may be some shots of the Ewoks fighting...
^And Lucas doesn't want us to see the Holiday Special?...!!!
J
Can you blame him... i've seen about 10 seconds of it and that was 10 seconds too much!
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
Why don't we just shoot our own Ewoks being killed and put that in, surely that will satisfy some of us?
Speaking of ewoks. A nice resebly and reference can be this shot done by Ron Crabb
Mood/ colors/ details are very close to OT feel.
-Angel
Maybe something could be done with the color of the leaves and grass (not so much change it to a solid blue or anything, but add some different colors throughout the forest. A good amount of trees could still have green leaves, especially during the speeder bike chase scenes [as it would be near impossible to alter the leaf coloring during the chasing].)
In regards to the DS2, how would it look to have more than one large trench? Instead of just the central equatorial trench, what if you had 6 all interconnecting to the (now centrally located) super laser. Hell, what if you had energy race down these 6 trenches to the laser dish when it fired (to further emphasize that the DS2 is one gigantic cannon)?
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Another thought on the DS2: don't know if this could be done, but what about only showing the superstructured area (from Han and Co. arriving to when the rebel fleet arrives) to make it look like the Empire has a long way to go to finish it.
When the rebel fleet show up and the Emperor says "now witness the firepower of a fully functional battle station!", the DS2 spins around to reveal the central laser dish and that side being completely finished (to provide a "holy shit!" moment). Hell, even if you didn't alter the appearance of the DS2, that would be cool to see regardless.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Another thing that could possibly be done: if more footage was to be shot for the Endor battle, you have the Rogue Squadron guy who has costumes and the like. What you could do (either with adults in rebel camo outfits and/or children in Ewok outfits) is take shots of multiple stormtroopers firing in groups (with their guns firing rapid fire) and take some "from behind" shots of the rebels/Ewoks and without having to show a lot (or any) blood, just show multiple laser blasts going through them (ala John Woo's HARD BOILED) and tearing trees down.
While not showing a bit of blood, it would show just how brutally destructive the empire can be when working as professional soldiers (not to mention it would bring up images of the British during the Revolutionary War - as the Empire was a mash of the Nazis and the 1770's British).
Also, when the AT-STs are shooting at Ewoks or rebel troops, you could either take shots of other movies of people getting blown off the ground while on fire (such as the end of BAD BOYS in the hanger finale) or if they are distance shots add some Ewoks getting blown into the air and CG some fire on them.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Monroville said:
Another thought on the DS2: don't know if this could be done, but what about only showing the superstructured area (from Han and Co. arriving to when the rebel fleet arrives) to make it look like the Empire has a long way to go to finish it.
When the rebel fleet show up and the Emperor says "now witness the firepower of a fully functional battle station!", the DS2 spins around to reveal the central laser dish and that side being completely finished (to provide a "holy shit!" moment). Hell, even if you didn't alter the appearance of the DS2, that would be cool to see regardless.
But surely if they know that the DS2 exists and have its plans then there is a high probability they know how much of it has been constructed - even if they don't know it's working (as it is in the film already). I don't buy that they'd be that easily fooled - this is a 3D environment they're all flying around in. The DS2 would have to remain facing away from every rebel ship at every moment for such concealment to work. If the firing crater were hidden from the outside and made to look like the normal surface of the station that might work, but just to have it facing away isn't enough.
Speaking of the Death Star II, I always thought it had sorta a lame reveal. From what I remember you first hear about it in the opening crawl of RotJ, nothing too exciting, like "Whoopdy doo, the empire got a new one..."
In my opinion (I'm guessing many of you will disagree) I think it should of maybe appeared at the end of The Empire Strikes Back, so now it's even more of a cliff-hanger, like "Holy S#*&, the rebels are screwed". (Using the footage from Revenge of the Sith maybe) But who knows, maybe if it's put near the ending, it would ruin the flow.
Part of it is down to the first reveal where the Death Star looks like a tiny broken thing.
Looking at this poster :
I noticed how this representation of the original Death Star has a rough (almost unfinished) look to it but it also looks massive and imposing.
Perhaps having a different look to the unfinished second Death Star would give more of a sense of threat to the thing, look different but still serve the same purpose of being an Imperial superweapon in the process of construction.
Lemonstein said:
Monroville said:
Another thought on the DS2: don't know if this could be done, but what about only showing the superstructured area (from Han and Co. arriving to when the rebel fleet arrives) to make it look like the Empire has a long way to go to finish it.
When the rebel fleet show up and the Emperor says "now witness the firepower of a fully functional battle station!", the DS2 spins around to reveal the central laser dish and that side being completely finished (to provide a "holy shit!" moment). Hell, even if you didn't alter the appearance of the DS2, that would be cool to see regardless.
But surely if they know that the DS2 exists and have its plans then there is a high probability they know how much of it has been constructed - even if they don't know it's working (as it is in the film already). I don't buy that they'd be that easily fooled - this is a 3D environment they're all flying around in. The DS2 would have to remain facing away from every rebel ship at every moment for such concealment to work. If the firing crater were hidden from the outside and made to look like the normal surface of the station that might work, but just to have it facing away isn't enough.
Also keep in mind this is the STAR WARS universe, where killing one man brings down an entire empire that spans a galaxy. Besides:
(1) the plans could be rigged to show the DS2 as less complete than it really is.
(2) only those working on the physical construction of the DS2 would know, as it is supposed to be a secret.
(3) the rebel fleet all emerges from one jump point, not from all directions.
and most importantly:
(4) it would be primarily a visual thing to represent the visual aspect of something thought to be damn near nothing but superstructure is in actuality 60%+ finished, and finished enough to wipe out every last rebel. STAR WARS isn't STAR TREK, which itself has some issues with the laws of physics... though STAR TREK "has" to be fairly accurate (or accurate enough) as it depicts a human future. STAR WARS is science fantasy, with laser swords and talking bigfeet. As with most mythical stories, symbolism and visuals play a big part in the storytelling to emphasize a point.
The main reason for the suggestion was to visualize what the Emperor says so it is not just the DS shooting the super laser, but having it turning around to reveal the super laser for the first time, complete and ready to use. Granted, we have hindsight, having seen the movie already, but imagine seeing this as a 13 year old kid in a theater for the first time and seeing something that looks like nothing but model parts turn around and reveal for the first time the Death Star we all know and fear.
You know, I think that is one of the biggest problems with JEDI is how everything is just kinda there... no build-ups or crafty reveals.. everything just sort of happens. It is almost as if George was just going through the motions and didn't really care anymore.
BINGO: don't know how easy it would be to do, but maybe a CG texture could be added to the "plain" paneled parts of the DS2 to give it the look in the painting.
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Monroville said:
(4) it would be primarily a visual thing to represent the visual aspect of something thought to be damn near nothing but superstructure is in actuality 60%+ finished, and finished enough to wipe out every last rebel. STAR WARS isn't STAR TREK, which itself has some issues with the laws of physics... though STAR TREK "has" to be fairly accurate (or accurate enough) as it depicts a human future. STAR WARS is science fantasy, with laser swords and talking bigfeet. As with most mythical stories, symbolism and visuals play a big part in the storytelling to emphasize a point.
Well, science fantasy or not, it can't commit the crime of being silly. Laser swords and aliens are one thing, people not being able to read plans or see in three dimensions is another. Suspension of disbelief functions the same way regardless of the genre you're viewing; I just wouldn't buy them simply "not seeing" the firing crater on the other side. I appreciate your desire for an OMG moment, but I don't think this is the most believable way.
Granted, we have hindsight, having seen the movie already, but imagine seeing this as a 13 year old kid in a theater for the first time and seeing something that looks like nothing but model parts turn around and reveal for the first time the Death Star we all know and fear.
Well, a lot of 13-year olds might not think in three dimensions, but I do.
You know, I think that is one of the biggest problems with JEDI is how everything is just kinda there... no build-ups or crafty reveals.. everything just sort of happens. It is almost as if George was just going through the motions and didn't really care anymore.
Well, Star Wars is just as guilty of this as Jedi. The Death Star in Star Wars doesn't even get a pan down like at the start of Jedi, it's just a cut and you see it. Not one iota of surprise. Ady did his best to put some anticipation into the reveal. Right or wrong, I think Lucas does this deliberately; this is just what this fictional universe looks like. Not everything is a wow moment. Dramatically it's very underwhelming, but I'm not sure it's accidental.
Not every moment of a film can be a wow moment or it's all the same.
Like a Michael Bay movie.
"You fought in the clone wars?"
"Yes. I was once a jedi knight the same as your father."
*cue rising score*
WOW!
How did my father die?
*cue ominous rising score*
quick zoom in on Obi-Wan
*cue sharp rise in musical score*
WOW!
If the super-laser was only partially constructed, it might be more of a WOW when it does fire....as is in the movie the laser is the part which looks complete...no big surprise.
J
Now that would be a much, much better solution to achieve surprise when the DSII actually fires. It might LOOK incomplete, but that could be part of the deception. The rebels will then look more clearly like they're trying to prevent it being completed, not realising it already it. Better than a corny "Death Star spins around" duh-duh-duuuhhhh moment.
It would be visually interesting to see the guts of the gun while it was firing too.
It really would. I like that idea a lot.
Mock-ups?
J
I wish I had time to do mock-ups these days. Where's Angel?