But it turned out that during one of my breaks I bumped into Lucas in the mens room. Talk about a weird place to start a conversation with the man who made Star Wars. He was really cool tho.
That's extraordinarily epic. What did you do?
It's been a few years, but I remember saying to him "Well I guess this would be a bad time to ask to shake your hand." He laughed. Then as we headed to wash our hands there was some small talk here and there.
I asked how his party was going. He didnt seem to thrilled about it. I mentioned that I was DJing and that he should come hang out in the DJ booth after his party was done. He said that probably wouldnt be a good idea. I agreed thinking to myself that maybe the owner wouldnt want any security problems.
Funny thing is tho. Later I find out that Lucas is the owner.
I will say that after seeing all these test videos for the past 8 or 9 months, this is second only to ESB: R on my most anticipated fanedits list (not just SW fanedits, too)
Obviously I'm not a prolific poster on here, I think I've posted twice, but, In response to Angel's comments on making the PT more OT, I think about one of the original inspirations for the space battles for the OT. That being real life dogfights.
The PT seems to have more of a free form camera ducking and diving into areas where a camera mounted on another fighter could not feasibly get access to.
In many shots this is probably impossible to eliminate (hell I'm no editor) but IMO the relatively realistic nature of the space battles (albeit in space and not in the air) drew me into the drama.
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Bob, with a little clairvoyance, the meeting with Lucas in the Gents could have been quite hilarious had you made reference to the smell from outside the door compared to inside... "And I thought they smelled bad on the outside"... lol. He'd probably have punched you though.
Anyways... keep up the good work. Much love from Scotland.
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Tonight I started messing around with the fancy shot of Bail leaving the planet before his lines about "intercepting the jedi".
Now in the final edit I might just remove all of these parts. Seeing as Bail leaves the planet, and the very next day returns. Or the planet might be removed from this shot. This way Bails ship is just flying thru space. He gives the line about helping the remaining jedi. He later intercepts Obi's transmission, then they head back to courascant.
Arr. Very interested in seeing this. Though I have seen some of your youtube videos of ROTD I would like to see a more complete version if you could oblige. And make some constructive criticism if I have any.
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First try. This idea came from Angel on the Prequel Radical ideas thread at OT.com. The idea of trying to Make PT Emper. look more OT. Just a first test for right now tho. Bottom one is the altered shot btw.
It looks fine but if you want him to look more OT you need to lighten the shadows around the eyes instead of darkening them and (in this instance only) redden them a bit.
The eyes themselves need to be less glowy and more orange.
A bit of tall order I know.
The proportions, which I assume are the main focus of your demo are looking much better though.
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It seems that nobody suggest visual changes for Bob's edit anymore... Pity that Bob is bothering to make visual miracles and radical changes to his edit and not having fresh ideas coming to these topics for inspiration.
Well, if it's to OTrize, I was watching ROTS and have a suggestion for the shot of Anakin and Obi "emergency landing" on Grievous ship: what about if, instead of having them doing that fancy jump out of their starfighters and turning on their sabres, you have them appear from an unexpected place, thus, not showing us the jump.
Like having a shot of the starfighters with nobody coming out, the droids get close to the ships to see what's going on and suddenly we have Anakin and ObiWan appearing and chopping them off. Replacing the music with the star wars theme, just like when Luke and Leia cross the DS bridge in ANH. I think it could work
Then, in no way Artoo can handle that transmissor Obi gives him. It shouldn't be shown, as if Artoo somehow kept it in his interior, or anything.
And finally, where Palpatine remains captive, what are those red bars at each side of him, speakers? Because I think the general ambientation of that scen is almost fine but that stuff....
Well, if it's to OTrize, I was watching ROTS and have a suggestion for the shot of Anakin and Obi "emergency landing" on Grievous ship: what about if, instead of having them doing that fancy jump out of their starfighters and turning on their sabres, you have them appear from an unexpected place, thus, not showing us the jump.
Then, in no way Artoo can handle that transmissor Obi gives him. It shouldn't be shown, as if Artoo somehow kept it in his interior, or anything.
And finally, where Palpatine remains captive, what are those red bars at each side of him, speakers? Because I think the general ambientation of that scen is almost fine but that stuff....
Very nice thoughts there.
Bob Cut the jump and the fancy shit for the most part. The idea of having them pop up from somewhere is a good one. So you meaning have the ships smashing some droids and then the jedi pop up behind them and start chopping them. hmm i like it. I assume with some editing and rotoscoping can be done.
R2 now. Very good point. R2 seems to hold that thing to several shots that i dont know if its possible to remove it via roto
The red lamps are just for the sake of decor. if they are too destructing maybe bob can bother to CC them with a more neutral color.
Thanks for supporting. I'm watching the movie in parts, so as to watch it carefully and see what comes to mind.
Here's another.. right after the Sidious/Grievous hologram scene, we move to an establishing shot of Coruscant, then to a more precise establishing shot (padme's building), and right after that the characters are shown.
But remembering ESB SE (where there's another couple scene), we've got the establishing shot of Bespin at the begininig of the act (the SE Bespin aproach shot), then we move to Dagobah, and when we return to Bespin, there isn't another Bespin establishing shot, but just showing Leia's building. So what about cutting that little Coruscant shot?
BTW, don't know why, but that scene is one of the few moments in the film when I find it believable that Anakin could become Vader...I can't tell why, maybe the way he looks, he seems to have darker clothes and hair, or something.
Minutes later in the movie, I see no sense in the scene of Anakin and ObiWan right after Ani speaks to Yoda. If it is to warn us about Palpatine, well, no sense. And if it's to tell that the Senate is voting more executive powers on Palpatine's person, then there was no reason for Palpatine to precipitate the things by revealing he's a Sith. But, if you cut that scene, then we get the ilusion of Anakin and Palpatine having an actual friendship (Anakin gets to the chancellor's office without being called)
Thanks for supporting. I'm watching the movie in parts, so as to watch it carefully and see what comes to mind.
Here's another.. right after the Sidious/Grievous hologram scene, we move to an establishing shot of Coruscant, then to a more precise establishing shot (padme's building), and right after that the characters are shown.
But remembering ESB SE (where there's another couple scene), we've got the establishing shot of Bespin at the begininig of the act (the SE Bespin aproach shot), then we move to Dagobah, and when we return to Bespin, there isn't another Bespin establishing shot, but just showing Leia's building. So what about cutting that little Coruscant shot?
BTW, don't know why, but that scene is one of the few moments in the film when I find it believable that Anakin could become Vader...I can't tell why, maybe the way he looks, he seems to have darker clothes and hair, or something.
Minutes later in the movie, I see no sense in the scene of Anakin and ObiWan right after Ani speaks to Yoda. If it is to warn us about Palpatine, well, no sense. And if it's to tell that the Senate is voting more executive powers on Palpatine's person, then there was no reason for Palpatine to precipitate the things by revealing he's a Sith. But, if you cut that scene, then we get the ilusion of Anakin and Palpatine having an actual friendship (Anakin gets to the chancellor's office without being called)
That is an excellent point, and after saying that, you're right. That scene is completely useless.
I felt the same way about that scene and thought about taking it out.
Without it tho, we really dont see that the Jedi are starting to have second thoughts about Palpatine. At least not untill after Obi mentions that they want Anakin to spy on him.
Without that warning dialogue from Obi, we go from Palpatine being worth launching a full scale rescue mission to save in the opening of the movie. Then for some reason now the Jedi want him spyed on. Without any prior reasoning.
This scene is letting us know that now Palpatine is gaining to much power for one man to have. And the Jedi dont like it.
Bob have you thoght giving Anakin some extra reason to wipe out the separatists in Mustafar?
I know we've discussed this a lot, and it exclusively depends on what is the actual "profile" you've chosen for Vader's character, but considering he`s not just a maniathic murderer, but someone who hasn't any hesitations when he wants things to be done (I think THAT is the real charactristic of a Sith, not havin any scruples at all)... I mean, if he was just a a tyrannic maniac he would have killed Lando, wouldn't he?
So the thing is, I thought that what would give Vader the reason not to let them live is that they found out who Vader actually was. And this could be done with shots of the movie that are already there, it'd requiere to add just some sound of astonishment, and someone in the background saying "commander skywalker? (!!) The war is over! lord sidious promissed us peace!"... and then right to the slaughter.
But keeping Anakins identity a secret no one must know would imply that there's still someone who could represent an actual danger to Anakin and from whom the Sith should remain hidden; so guess that'd be the Jedi Order still standing, and no Empire yet.
Have you considered, so as to give Anakin's character a little more depth, to have him go to his home (or padme's) after Palpatine's reveal, instead of going right to inform Windu... so his turn wouldn't be a decission taken at the time hi cuts out windu, but we know more remarkably that he's confused... I mean, inserting the scene of "something's happening, I'm not the Jedi I should be" right after Palpatine's office scene. Pros I've found on this:
1) showing that Anakin's actual "circle of trust" is his wife, not the Council, which means giving more depth to his relationship with padme WITHOUT the employment of any wooden dialogue
2) showing how confused Anakin is by the content of the scene
3) showing it not only by the content of the scene, but by knowing he told the emperor he'd go to windu and he went to padme's instead.
4) making Anakin a political actor (he's balancing his personal interests over his duty during a major part of the film, instead of having him do it only when he finally turns.
Besides, by putting that scene there, it can leave the spectator thinking that Padme could suspect, at some point, what's going on... and if you delete the shot of Obi Wan boarding Padme's ship without his knowledge, it could even give more meaning to "you're with him, you will not take her from me" line in Mustafar... so as to make us doubt about Padme's role in this whole game (the same idea that's expressed in the Emperor/Vader holochat in ESB). And, this would, of course, increase Anakin's hate for the Jedis by giving an actual and tangible reason.
Cons:
How to get windu to the Palpatine's office... perhaps you could twist the holo-conference to make it seem that right after grievous death, the Jedi would remove Palpatine, no matter what he does.
Have you considered, so as to give Anakin's character a little more depth, to have him go to his home (or padme's) after Palpatine's reveal, instead of going right to inform Windu... so his turn wouldn't be a decission taken at the time hi cuts out windu, but we know more remarkably that he's confused... I mean, inserting the scene of "something's happening, I'm not the Jedi I should be" right after Palpatine's office scene. Pros I've found on this:
1) showing that Anakin's actual "circle of trust" is his wife, not the Council, which means giving more depth to his relationship with padme WITHOUT the employment of any wooden dialogue
2) showing how confused Anakin is by the content of the scene
3) showing it not only by the content of the scene, but by knowing he told the emperor he'd go to windu and he went to padme's instead.
4) making Anakin a political actor (he's balancing his personal interests over his duty during a major part of the film, instead of having him do it only when he finally turns.
Besides, by putting that scene there, it can leave the spectator thinking that Padme could suspect, at some point, what's going on... and if you delete the shot of Obi Wan boarding Padme's ship without his knowledge, it could even give more meaning to "you're with him, you will not take her from me" line in Mustafar... so as to make us doubt about Padme's role in this whole game (the same idea that's expressed in the Emperor/Vader holochat in ESB). And, this would, of course, increase Anakin's hate for the Jedis by giving an actual and tangible reason.
Cons:
How to get windu to the Palpatine's office... perhaps you could twist the holo-conference to make it seem that right after grievous death, the Jedi would remove Palpatine, no matter what he does.
That's quite brilliant. And plus, the way the scene ends with Anakin promising Padme she won't die, it's almost as if that's when he would make up his mind (and thus why he would be crying later on in the temple room, because he'd know what's about to happen). From there, two things could happen.
Path 1:
-After Anakin talks to Padme, cut to the holo conference, and then somehow without a rough cut, get to Anakin talking to Windu. Only issue here is why Anakin would warn Windu if he's already made up his mind.
Path 2:
Like Mithrandir said, twist the holo conference so that the Jedi would arrest Palpatine after Grievous' death no matter what, and then have Anakin talk to Windu but NOT warn him about Palpatine's power, setting up a trap for Windu.
So it would change the whole thing in that Anakin makes up his mind to turn away from the Jedi while talking to the reason he would in the first place, Padme, and then until the Palpatine duel, sets up the trap for Mace to go face Palpatine, who'd be unaware of Palpatine's true powers. Only issue there would be Mace's lack of alarm when Palpatine goes all dark-side.
I think that what's more feasible is actually to have Anakin not to tell Windu at all. Something kinda
holochat with windu + Anakin... bla blah, Anakin gets sent to inform the chancellor Obi's made contact, the holochat goes on without Anakin, and there we get the council to determinate Palpatine's removal.
cut to obi killing grievous. cut to palpatine's reveal. cut to windu SOMEHOW getting informed that obi's mission haven succesfully completed, considering what the council has decided, he gets some Jedi and leaves. cut to "I'm not the jedi I should be". cut to Palpatine vs Windu.
How would Anakin get to the office?? Well, it'd be one less taking off scene
