Return of the Jedi cut-scene — Page 7

Easterhay said:

Don't shoot the messenger.  Sunday was only quoting some sad and lonely fanboy who really needed to get a proper perspective on life.

Sunday was not quoting.  He was using the phrase independently as far as I could see, and I was just saying that I did not see why the phrase was necessary i.e. discussing the phrase itself.

Easterhay said:

"Fail"?  Speak English and I'll converse with you.  Use some trendy new-speak on me and you'll be ignored. 

I'm sure I'll miss you.

I suspect this will just be another letdown like The J T34 Show. :-(

See, another letdown!!!

Just kidding Easterhay, nice to see you apologize.  A lot of people wouldn't do that.

I agree with Frink.  The apology is appreciated, Easterhay. :-)

avoidz said:

xhonzi said:

Thanks for posting the interview, mania.  But is it just me, or does Kazanjian not really sound like he knows of what he speaks?  He looks at the blank space in the matte painting and thinks it's unfinished?  Clearly, he must know how matte paintings work/worked?  And I thought his comment about the ships' proximity to Jabba's was interesting... can Jabba's be seen in the painting?  I looked at the painting for a solid 30 seconds and couldn't find anything looking like a palace...

So we have Lucas saying it was Hamill, Hamill saying it wasn't and then saying it was, and Kazanjian saying it wasn't.  Whom do we believe?

I think what Kazanjian is saying about the Milliennium Falcon and X-Wing being so close to Jabba's Palace is they are relatively close, not actually right next to; in the same general vicinity where they might be spotted (since Jabba and at least Boba Fett know what the Falcon looks like).

I don't quite get why Howard doesn't recognize a matte painting with a black space for a live-action plate on it. Maybe he's been looking at too many CG effects over the years and forgotten.

Luke's first appearance in Jabba's Palace and the lightsaber fired from Artoo in the Skiff scene works much better than seeing that cut scene in the cave which is kind of pointless.

The Vader scene, obviously sounding and looking like something concocted from unused Empire and Jedi footage doesn't add anything new, and the dialogue is forgettable.

"The blacked out area on the left looks like it was never finished - whatever it might have been."

I read that as he assumes whatever was going to be inserted into the black area wasn't finished (or was shot but never composited perhaps). I think it's part of the sandstorm thing perhaps, so we'd be seeing the ships after the rescue. He was obviously thinking it was part of the Luke sabre scene (and perhaps it was - who knows!)

There's nothing like polarising people, it's good marketing to shift units!

And remember - he's talking about his day job from almost 30 years ago, not his wet dream.

Bingowings said:

I don't think it hurts that much seeing the saber built but personally I would have had it built on Dagobah not Tatooine and have Yoda die in the beginning of the film (after completing Luke's Jedi training as best as he could) rather than just waiting for Luke to return and dropping down dead in the middle of his reunion conversation.

 

Yeah that was unfortunate timing as well as the numerous times Yoda says "Luke!" in that scene.

ROTJ has a slow start--ESB at least had some connection-following the probes to Hoth, but the other seemed merely to ensure we got another Star Destroyer opening.

Like there's a considerable time lapse between ESB and ROTJ--supposedly Chewie and Lando are looking for Jabba and Boba Fett--they will rendyvous on Tattooine (presumably when they locate them?). I assume that is the one place Jabba wouldnt be--unless it was just some awkward dialogue.

Would Luke rescue Han before going back to Yoda? Probably, but unless they went after Han immediately I would have expected him to go back to Yoda pretty fast.

If there is anything I would like to know more of from a historical paper trail,  is what would have happened had Lucas kept the gang together (Kurtz, Mrs. Lucas,  etc) through ROTJ's production. Just to get a sense of how it may have been different. I think I read Kurtz say he felt the new Death Star was repetitive--well if that is true what type of threat and location would they have had instead? The Endor base attack was rather boring--visually not exotic. If Lucas hadnt gone cheap what might that have been like?

I think i read somewhere that the Emperor's chambers might have been on a lava rock planet?

If Leia wasnt the other, how would that have played out--how would Kenobi have explained not revealing who Luke's father was..etc.

Since I dont like thinking about the prequels at all, this is what I would be curious to know more about if any paper trail exists to highlight it.

vbangle said:

Go back and re-watch that scene and tell me if you think the quality and feel of the cinematics fit with the rest of the Jedi movie....I don't think so.

I'm not one way or the other on this extra scene (I just don't care anymore), but I find many extra or deleted scenes don't feel like they would fit into the movie I've watched a dozen or more times and become familiar with.

With no proper original versions on DVD or Blu-ray, I'm done with Star Wars.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch for Luke (humbled after his pointless attempt to rescue his friends at Cloud City, where he ended up risking their lives having to rescue him...though Artoo wouldn't have been there to save the day if he hadn't) to return straight back to Yoda and complete his training before lending his assistance in the rescue of Han.

It ties in with Leia now being 'the other' that she would become impatient waiting for Luke and end up need rescuing herself.

I doubt that Chewie and Lando would need to spend long looking for Jabba (his Palace looks a bit obvious on a middle of nowhere planet like Tatooine).

They would need some time to formulate a rescue plan and gain access to the Palace.

I'd start the film on The Executor (allowing for the traditional Star Destroyer opening shot) and have Vader buzzing in Luke's ear, Yoda dies, show Chewie captured, Vader arrives on the Death Star, Luke arrives on Tatooine finds out about Leia running off, show Leia captured and  then on with the show as seen.

That would start the film in the same tone as the ending of ESB, and allow for the roller-coaster to climb before the first exciting dips and turns during the Rancor and Sarlacc pits.

Bingowings said:

 

It ties in with Leia now being 'the other' that she would become impatient waiting for Luke and end up need rescuing herself.

I doubt that Chewie and Lando would need to spend long looking for Jabba (his Palace looks a bit obvious on a middle of nowhere planet like Tatooine).

 I think the Leia character we know would go rescue Han regardless of her status as "other" or not. I don't see any real tie.

Given that if Tatooine has no oceans, and is apparently near Earth-sized, if the location of Jabba's palace is secret, they'd need to search approximately 511,000,000 square kilometers.

If Leia has the Skywalker impatience it would give her family tie to Luke some validity if they had previously came up with a long term plan but her emotional attachment to Han had got in the way.

As a Rebel leader Leia may be used to long waits and the risk of sacrificing comrades (just as Anakin and Luke would) but when there is a direct emotional attachment the Skywalker way seems to be to rush in and need rescuing.

Bingowings said:

If Leia has the Skywalker impatience it would give her family tie to Luke some validity if they had previously came up with a long term plan but her emotional attachment to Han had got in the way.

As a Rebel leader Leia may be used to long waits and the risk of sacrificing comrades (just as Anakin and Luke would) but when there is a direct emotional attachment the Skywalker way seems to be to rush in and need rescuing.

 I smell what you're cooking here, but still think it's a bit of a stretch. Leia is a take charge kind of dame. She took over her own rescue in "Star Wars." I don't see her to twiddle her thumbs and wait for incopetent Luke to come back and save the day.

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I got as far as page 3 and didn't see anything other than arguments over the legitimacy of this scene.

Can anyone tell me what Vader is saying?  I don't understand what he says after "My son..."

Thanks in advance!

It sounds like he says "LeaveIt is the only way."  It sounds like the audio is spliced poorly from other parts of the movie.

I love that song!

At first the quote was when Vader would have said, Now go, my son.  Leave me., but that was SS and not JEJ, so that's not it.