The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 198

Works a lot better.......

......what about just cutting out the whole lift scene completely, they go into the lift, the doors close (shot of inside lift) you see shots of lift ascending from inside of liftshaft, the guys arrive on their floor.....doors open.....they step out.....saves all the Anakin's in, superjump out, does a flipper jump........and he's back in the lift again........why did he bother.

J 

^Almost every edit I've seen does this, IIRC.

Oops sorry!

J

No need to apologize, it's a good idea.  That's why so many have done it. :-)

Jaitea said:

Works a lot better.......

......what about just cutting out the whole lift scene completely, they go into the lift, the doors close (shot of inside lift) you see shots of lift ascending from inside of liftshaft, the guys arrive on their floor.....doors open.....they step out.....saves all the Anakin's in, superjump out, does a flipper jump........and he's back in the lift again........why did he bother.

J 

; )

Yeah, this scene isn't in my edit of Episode III. I've created a separate save file for my original edit, and I'm just playing around with the scenes I had deleted.

I'm in the club that TV's Frink mentioned, but!!! I like your thinkin'!

btw AE, you're not planning a v2 of your edit, are you?  Just want to be sure.

TV's Frink said:

btw AE, you're not planning a v2 of your edit, are you?  Just want to be sure.

I'm thinking about a full DVD release with some of the deleted scenes I worked on, a commentary discussing the edit, and menus. I've got a lot to say about the cuts made, which is why the cutlist on Fanedit.org functions more as a text commentary with paragraphs describing the cuts and themes.

If this fuller release comes to fruition, I definitely have two very small nitpicks to change:

-Anakin's "Point-of-View the Jedi" line being too forcedly cut off by Obi-wan's "You are lost!"

-A possible reworking of the final scene before the credits with different credit music, but I do like thecurrent swelling happy theme as a contrast, as I feel it plays as an old fashion serial cliffhanger (like there's more to come!).

Out of the two, the first is a certainty, but I really like the exciting cliffhanger tone to the original credit music.

So, basically, if there is a version 2 of this edit, it will probably just fix that one exchange between Anakin and Obi-wan during the duel, unless there is an outcry for a couple of other changes to be made.

EDIT: Good luck, TV's Frink! 

Bingo Master Dooku is sent to investigate the invasion of the Gungan homeworld by a droid army (instigated possibly by another future Separatist member state other than the Trade Feds) which ends in defeat and surrender."

The one main obstacle to this would be footage. Not only that but is Dooku to be a central figure in this edit? It's too bad Saruman doesnt look more like Dooku.

Bingo Amidala is on Coruscant when she hears of a similar attack planned on Naboo which she can not prove she pushes for a vote for a new Chancellor (with some prompting from Palpatine and a re-dubbed delegate Binks).

By making her a senator you would be avoiding all the hubub over the elected queen.

Bingo She sets off to prevent the same thing happening to her planet.

Cool. I'm imagining youre putting the footage of "my fate will be no different than that of our people senator" into this timeline. Is that right?

Bingo Qui-Gon senses the Sith have returned as does Dooku via a hololink but the Council refuse to believe it (Chosen One prophecy optional).

So existing JC scenes with holo-Dooku. Okay, but the footage would have to be available. Does anyone know how to do a digital haircut?

Bingo Does the sound like an improved arrangement?

One of the things you've done is move the second act to the first and gotten all the political stuff out of the way. As for improvement, that depends on how it plays together.

Bingo Could it be done?

I dont see why not.

Bingo What would be the key obstacles?

Footage of Chris Lee for an expanded Dooku character plain and simple.

Bingo Any thoughts on how it could be improved?

As with many of these things, it depends on how it flows together. The one concern i would have is the idea that Amidala hears about an invasion of her planet. I think it would be better for her to experience it and pull the audience in with her.

Maybe you put Jar Jar and the gungans living underwater on Kamino and save them for AOTC?

Or what if the underwater journey was the only way to get into Theed after the TF has occupied it? Maybe it takes place in the third act, not the first. It would certainly speed things up in the first act.

Maybe the speeder footage is swapped and that's put into the film at the first as how the jedi and the Queen get into the hangar to escape? They have to fight their way too it?

Of course some little Annie digital removal would be in order for these scenes but okay.

Then you put the underwater stuff at the beginning of the third act(the road back) as the way the heroes get into an occupied Theed. Now what would be missing is Amidala.

You wouldn't necessarily have to show Dooku on the Gungan world.

Though a few AOTC shots of Lee in the Gungan city would go some way to establish his presence there and maybe the footage could be adjusted to suggest the place is under attack forcing them up onto the surface to fight.

There are plenty of rather silly looking Jedi Council members that could possibly be replaced by an actor delivering a very. very short piece of vocal exposition instead as an easier option.

Joined with a holographic message created from combining adjusted AOTC footage (and possibly a body double) with digital interference due to the transmission being partially jammed could do make it work.

You would need at least one clear shot of Dooku at the end.

Perhaps the Gungan sub could be replaced by the Queen's ship (I don't have a problem with elected monarchies as they have existed on this planet and it's an alien planet).

Luke's fighter didn't seem to like being under water but that doesn't rule out the possibility of a space craft doubling as a submarine (though the model work could be really tricky with such a shiny ship) there are plenty of cockpit shots which could be adjusted to show underwater action instead of space or cityscapes but it would be hard enough to sell without an establishing exterior shot.

It's a real shame that instead of the pointless fish fight we didn't see the droid armies invading the Gungan city and underwater battles (Star Wars meets James Bond via Jules Verne). That would have been a first for a Star Wars film But in the realms of the more possible I think the bulk of the underwater sequences are probably not salvageable (unless someone can come up with another really neat idea).

i have The Children of Hurin audiobook, which has 7 hours of Christopher Lee narration. Something in there must be helpful.

Yes any audio would be great. I always wanted to see Lee describe who and what the sith were at some point to either Obi-Wan or Anakin.

But no, nothing.

He's barely a character.

Bingowings said:

You wouldn't necessarily have to show Dooku on the Gungan world.

Though a few AOTC shots of Lee in the Gungan city would go some way to establish his presence there and maybe the footage could be adjusted to suggest the place is under attack forcing them up onto the surface to fight.

There are plenty of rather silly looking Jedi Council members that could possibly be replaced by an actor delivering a very. very short piece of vocal exposition instead as an easier option.

Joined with a holographic message created from combining adjusted AOTC footage (and possibly a body double) with digital interference due to the transmission being partially jammed could do make it work.

You would need at least one clear shot of Dooku at the end.

Perhaps the Gungan sub could be replaced by the Queen's ship (I don't have a problem with elected monarchies as they have existed on this planet and it's an alien planet).

Luke's fighter didn't seem to like being under water but that doesn't rule out the possibility of a space craft doubling as a submarine (though the model work could be really tricky with such a shiny ship) there are plenty of cockpit shots which could be adjusted to show underwater action instead of space or cityscapes but it would be hard enough to sell without an establishing exterior shot.

It's a real shame that instead of the pointless fish fight we didn't see the droid armies invading the Gungan city and underwater battles (Star Wars meets James Bond via Jules Verne). That would have been a first for a Star Wars film But in the realms of the more possible I think the bulk of the underwater sequences are probably not salvageable (unless someone can come up with another really neat idea).

Has anyone seen G.I. Joe the Movie?

I haven't did they do that sort of thing in that movie?

Can any of it be re-cycled?

No offense, but anyone who uses footage from that abomination should be ashamed.

The idea of turning Geonosis into Tatooine seems a wise one, and I figured out that Jabba the Hutt should order the executions in Attack of the Clones rather than announcing Pod Race. He could very well be a separatist leader, the only to survive in fact, leaving Tatooine as the one of the only planets where the Empire has no authority.

Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:

The idea of turning Geonosis into Tatooine seems a wise one, and I figured out that Jabba the Hutt should order the executions in Attack of the Clones rather than announcing Pod Race. He could very well be a separatist leader, the only to survive in fact, leaving Tatooine as the one of the only planets where the Empire has no authority.

Yeah but..no but..

It would add weight to why the locals don't like droids to sit with the white, green, black and furry folks.

Jabba could be an unofficial governor a bit like the puppet kings the Romans installed or allowed to stay on.

mrbenja0618 said:

No offense, but anyone who uses footage from that abomination should be ashamed.

Well it does have an underwater battle. And they even use lasers and futuristic subs.

Well, anyone is welcomed to use the shots if they wish, but personally if I saw those shots inserted it would make me shut the movie off. Just sayin'.

Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:

The idea of turning Geonosis into Tatooine seems a wise one, and I figured out that Jabba the Hutt should order the executions in Attack of the Clones rather than announcing Pod Race. He could very well be a separatist leader, the only to survive in fact, leaving Tatooine as the one of the only planets where the Empire has no authority.

Yeah, but that would kind of shrink the universe, don't you think?

I remember these mock-ups, I believe they were done by vaderios -

I think this is the way to go. Instead of loosing the planet, lets just recolor it.

I don't. Actually, I think it should be all gray and nasty.

I like the gray and nasty look as well. The stormy clouds are awesome as well and very appropriate. For me it almost feels more gritty and realistic which is something that the PT lacks in many areas. Yeah I know its SW and its a fun, fantasy universe but sometimes its good to ground things a bit too - such color changes could do that.

The standard over saturated orange is interesting as well......but it feels so dream-like and cartoony.

Just my 2 cents.