Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes — Page 8

Alright, so I'll have:

8mm/70mm which was posted a couple pages back
Jwhatever that was posted a few more pages back
1993/GOUT
1997 SE
and maybe 2004 for grins

If you're going to add the 70mm visual differences you also have another one posted in this thread,  http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/topic/2321/

Puggos 8mm-preservation with its few visual differences is the only source we have of the numerous visual differences that appear throughout this cut.

maybe this help ;)

70mm Cut - from 8mm source - no fading in, no scanlines

'93 DC LD/'95 Faces LD/GOUT - fading in, no scanlines

'86 Japanese Special Collection LD/'92 US Pan&Scan LD and '97 SE - fading in, with scanlines 

What is this shadow supposed to come from?

msycamore said:

If you're going to add the 70mm visual differences you also have another one posted in this thread,  <a href="http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/topic/2321/</a>" title="originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/topic/2321/">http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/topic/2321/</a>" target="_blank">http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/topic/2321/">http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/topic/2321/</a>

Puggos 8mm-preservation with its few visual differences is the only source we have of the numerous visual differences that appear throughout this cut.

maybe this help ;)

70mm Cut - from 8mm source - no fading in, no scanlines

'93 DC LD/'95 Faces LD/GOUT - fading in, no scanlines

'86 Japanese Special Collection LD/'92 US Pan&Scan LD and '97 SE - fading in, with scanlines 

But seriously, I've added the holograms we've posted on here, all versions and tried my best to explain what they are.



Way too many versions. But the best part is it goes "no scanlines, scanlines, no scanlines, scanlines, new image" If anyone can figure out what happened, I'll be impressed.

I added the credits to ESB. All two of the official changes. My favorite is this:



"The size of Executive Producer title was reduced to match the other titles."

Actually, ALL of the titles were huge in the original and reduced in the SE recreation. In fact, EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT. Spacing, sizes, placement, timing... I'm going going to post the official ones because they were important enough for whoever this guy is to point out (the more I do this, the more I think this guy was given a split-screen version and told to find as many changes as he could).

You don't need to have 5 pics of the Emperor, as the '97 SE is identical how it appear in the JSC/Pan&Scan LD's, I don't know if it's really necessary to have even four of them as you cannot really see the differences in them, (not at that size, anyway) it should be enough with just two holograms, one with scanlines and one without plus the '04 version making it three images in total ;) and just a description for the variations of the remaining one.

I would remove the top two images of the Emperor and just make a description of the 70mm version or show the unfading, using the pics in the thread I linked to, just a thought.

The real picture is MUCH bigger. And I think Zombie could use it more for his purposes with all of the above. I have the original comps in there for simple comparison, then I have a super-advanced one. ;-)

Alright. ;)

Edit: it sounded rude. ;)

Without reading back the whole thread, are the pre-86 video releases represented?
msycamore did show a pan/scan shield generator shot . . . from what source?

IIRC some of dark_jedi's p/s preservations were posted on usenet in the recent past, but those were the time-compressed LDs. I know nothing about time compression, but I'd guess they'd be missing some frames or fields (or have some blended together) which might or might not be a problem if you're looking for specific frames.
I think I'll repost dark_jedi's "Standard Play" preservations. Those are the uncompressed pan/scan CAV LD sets 1130-84 & 1425-84 (the same ones believed to contain theatrical soundtracks, since they predate the digital sound era.)

I'm going to stick with SE changes myself, but if someone can grab shots from whatever other versions are out there for comparison, I'll gladly add them to my own.

Darth Mallwalker said:

Without reading back the whole thread, are the pre-86 video releases represented?
msycamore did show a pan/scan shield generator shot . . . from what source?

No, any examples from earlier video releases are very welcomed. :) 

Yes, the shield generator shot was from dark_jedi's time-compressed pan&scan LD from '92 and I had to be a little careful when I checked it so I didn't confuse blended frames with scanlines. ;) 

Your description of this one is wrong, the top image is a 8mm-cap (the source is probably the 70mm cut) showing the "unfinished" hologram and it seems to match the '04 DVD holo pretty close. All other versions (probably final version) have the scanlines as seen in the middle pic. It's all a little messy cause the Special Editions also have a mix of "final" and "unfinished" versions of the holograms and screens like the GOUT of EMPIRE. Either it was never set in stone how they should look or they didn't bother to composite the scanlines or they simply forgot it, like they did with several other composites.

Thanks, I tried to fix the description.

I was thinking, if you are going to include pre-SE changes made to Empire, you will also have to include the 1981 opening to Star Wars. Let me know if you want specific screen caps of it.

I'd love to have 81 shots of the shots I already have...

Ok, I'll get them for you.

Sluggo said:

I'm loving the teamwork going on here!

doubleofive said:

This I don't. The scanlines are going in the complete opposite direction!

Yeah, it's a bit weird, they are also vertical for the '97/'04 Leia hologram in SW.

I've not had the time to get the '81 caps for you yet, I'll post them later tonight...

Thanks for uploading the Standard Play LD, Mallwalker. I'll take a look. :)

doubleofive, the '81 crawl is completely different in terms of timing to both the original and the SE, for example if I match it up by frames to your comparison pic 5, the '81 crawls' "Episode IV" haven't even entered the frame yet. So, how do you want me to capture them, by an exact match in frame counts or just by the appearance?

The crawls on the Comp are already by appearance, not by frames. Sorry, I didn't mark them.