zombie84 said:

What I meant was that even on the GOUT (and 8mm) images that have "no scanlines" if you look closely you can see there sort of is, because its on the monitor itself that is being photographed. I guess they wanted this to be much more obvious so they threw giant scanlines on top of this raw image.

Ah... ok, now I understand what you meant, thanks for explaining.

zombie84 said:

What's weird is how the GOUT seems to have 3 stages of holograms:

-Clean holograms, without artificial scanlines.

-Holograms with verticle scanlines, which doesn't really make sense. They were corrected to be horizontal in the final version, so maybe these can be thought of "test composites" or "first tries".

-Holograms with proper horizontal scanlines, as per the final versions.

So it seems to have all three stages of completedness in one single print! You have ones that haven't had any added, ones that have had them added in a way that isn't final, and ones that are totally finished.

My question is: just what is this print? As if the source of the GOUT needed any more mystery. Its clearly something abnormal. I kind of wonder now if the grain levels are related in any way.

Yeah, it's really weird. Couldn't the '93 video master of Empire been sourced from several different print reels? Maybe it's 70mm/35mm differences or a combination of the two.