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Jedi Temple34 said:

 

I find some bluray ether too dark comparing some generation of laserdisc to DVD to bluray (some).

A lot of these problems can be down to the fact that many laserdiscs were overly bright due to the telecine process  but also can be down to the colour range a player uses for blu-ray. Some players will default at 0-255 for blu-ray and this can look too dark if watched on a CRT or older LCD/PLasma that don't support the extended range. Whereas DVD should play at 16-235 which is the range both DVD's and Blu-rays are encoded at. If you player has an extended range setting in its setup then disable it and you'll notice a big difference. But the last thing si that its a fad with hollywood at the moment to crush blacks to give deeper black levels when transferring a movie. This is more than evident on the Star Wars DVDs so it's nothing to do with Blu-Ray as its been happening on DVD for a while now

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adywan said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

I find some bluray ether too dark comparing some generation of laserdisc to DVD to bluray (some).

A lot of these problems can be down to the fact that many laserdiscs were overly bright due to the telecine process  but also can be down to the colour range a player uses for blu-ray. Some players will default at 0-255 for blu-ray and this can look too dark if watched on a CRT or older LCD/PLasma that don't support the extended range. Whereas DVD should play at 16-235 which is the range both DVD's and Blu-rays are encoded at. If you player has an extended range setting in its setup then disable it and you'll notice a big difference. But the last thing si that its a fad with hollywood at the moment to crush blacks to give deeper black levels when transferring a movie. This is more than evident on the Star Wars DVDs so it's nothing to do with Blu-Ray as its been happening on DVD for a while now

Is that so range setting nope I’m familiar with my model and I’ve not noticed a setting under that term.

Alien is brighter on laserdisc CAV and there is a VR variable resistor inside the player that can be turned down to reduce the amount of (white level)? Maybe contrast level? Alien on DVD looks a bit on the darker side hard to recall the once seen theatrical version 35mm print at double Alien bill, early around 1990 summertime.

I remember seeing the X at the start of the BBFC too young to watch Alien in 1979. I heard it was great and wanted to see it. Well I did around 1982 and it scared me even the sounds scared me and I hide behind the sofa and covered my ears up. LOL

I’ve gotten somewhere used to now and it sounds great!

Also there is missing musical sound like instrument on the DVD version and you can mark my words it will be missing on the bluray due out sometime next week! Its where the acid drops though the hull.

When the crew reaches one of the lower level on the ship, listen to where they enter a room there is musical winning like sound on the laserdisc version same as cinema version! Its not to be found or heard on the Dolby stereo 6channel DVD versions!

You might hear it on the audio commentary first edition DVD with Ridley Scott but you have to listen real HARD as it faint in the background! So what version is he viewing that we are being denied. Now then!

 

Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.

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Yeah pretty much all home video telecines from the 1990s and especially the 1980s were deliberately brightened artificially. This was done because it was felt that you could not see the image properly if you watched it during the daytime, due to reflection and glare. They usually are not reliable for colour and level referencing. It was only in the last ten years or so with DVD and finally now Blu Ray that proper black levels started appearing. That's not to say that no LDs had properly levels, and because some of them were coloured in collaboration with directors and DPs while some DVDs were not sometimes these older transfers have more accurate colouring, but usually as far as levels and midrange go they aren't quite as true, simply because LDs could not possibly display true levels even if they wanted to.

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Also TV’s have high contrast level.

This was noted in short written interview with director John Carpenter for The Thing laserdisc release many years ago. Also in an audio commentary session with producer and director of Independence Day Dean Devlin noticed how the star-field looked brighter than theatrical release.

 

 

Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.

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You actually think laserdisc is superior to Bluray!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! You ARE senile!!!

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He hasn't said picture-wise... yet, I don't think. He said audio-wise, which can be true.

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No it isn't. Blu-Ray can support far more frequencies and channels. They're both just data storage devices, and Bluray holds more data space.

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Digital and analogue are still two different formats though.

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Analogue and Digital have nothing to do with the method in which you store the data. You can get analogue audio out of Bluray - that's what I have right now.

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No, you can't.  Audio is stored in a digital format on Blu-Ray no matter what.  It may be lossless audio, sure, but it's still digital.

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Well obviously it will be digital data, but that's the same for a laser disc - the only difference is that all laser disc players have analogue audio out, whereas almost all Blu-Ray players only support digital audio out - BUT if you have an audio decoder, you can still get analogue audio out of a Blu-Ray. The disc and format of Blu-Ray isn't to blame, it's the player. Seriously Blu-Ray Discs and Laser Discs are both digital data storage devices, BUT you can still get analogue out of both Laser Discs and Blu-Ray - it's just harder with the Blu-Ray Players because you'll require an audio decoder.

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Some folks use multi-channel analog connections for Bluray if they have a player with better digital-to-analog converters than their receiver/processor.  There can sometimes be a problem with the LFE level coming out too quiet, if it isn't getting the required 10 decibel boost, but this is only an issue with certain equipment.  Aside from these things, there is no difference from using a digital connection if the audio source is digital to begin with.

All sound produced by speakers is analog in nature: it is a continuous electrical waveform that moves magnets attached to speaker cones.  For a digital source it only matters how good the DAC is, where in the equipment chain it is located, and whether any additional processing or decoding is being applied, to determine what the outgoing sound quality will be--the quality of the speakers themselves and the amplification make far more difference.

Most of the really good laserdisc audio that people talk about is digital.  Whether the 16/44.1 PCM tracks, the 384 kbps AC3 or the 1.235 mbps DTS, all delivered great-sounding results, and the main reason for this is that they were much more likely to be the original mixes, or versions closely derived from them.  Many dvd's and Blurays unfortunately contain remixes, many of which are inferior to the originals, and may well have been made by people who had nothing to do with making the film and have little regard for its proper aural aesthetic.  Even a completely lossless encode of an inferior mix cannot compete with a lower quality version of the proper sound.

It's not all doom and gloom though, because there are some releases that still do it right.  Apocalypse Now, for example, has always used the original 70mm 5.1 mix, and the Bluray continues this trend (along with a new video transfer timed by a Technicolor reference print, for even greater authenticity).  I've never seen the film, but many people like it and will undoubtedly be pleased with the new edition.

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Asteroid-Man said:

all laser disc players have analogue audio out

 And some LD models also have digital audio out, just for the record.  :)

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A-Man,

From http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Laserdisc

Technical information

Video was stored on LD as an analog signal, while audio could be stored in either analog or digital format and in a variety of surround sound formats. Like on a CD, the surface of the disc is an aluminium foil covered by pits and lands, but whereas on a audio CD (or DVD) the pits and lands will signify binary codes, on an LD the pits are created using frequency modulation of an analog signal.

NTSC discs could carry two analog audio tracks, plus two uncompressed PCM digital audio tracks, which were generally CD quality. PAL discs could carry one pair, either analog or digital. Dolby Digital (also called AC-3) and DTS, which are now common on DVD titles, first became available on Laserdisc. Star Wars: Episode I (1999) was released on Laserdisc in Japan, and holds the distinguishing record of being both the first home video release to include 6.1 channel Dolby Digital EX Surround, and the only Laserdisc to ever use the EX codec. Many later discs have no analog audio track, instead offering the choice of a CD-quality PCM audio track (carried directly via the player's optical output) or Dolby Digital. Players could generally convert PCM tracks to analog using an internal digital to analog converter. DTS equipped discs would still be equipped with an analog channel, as DTS uses the space the PCM tracks would normally occupy.

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I am a audiofile here just like everyone else and I do agree blu-ray sounds a lot better than both dvd and laserdisc. Blu-ray just sounds better period than all other audio formats combined.  I am hope the audio for the star wars blu-rays sound good. And I will be buying them on blu-ray. Now do I want the original cuts of episodes 4, 5 and 6 on blu-ray yes but I am not going to complan no matter which version is released on the blu-rays.

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Yoda said it best....

"I am wondering, why are you here?"

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Think about this, kenkraly2007, the actual films of the OT are not going to be on this set. And even if you prefer the SE, you still have to buy the PT to get the OT. Third, these may be a third version of the SE, and have an AV quality that might be an insult to the BD format.

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If you were to put generalfrevious and kenkraly2007 in the same room together, I think the universe would explode.

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On a second note the trailer for the SW BD emphasized the PT more than the OT.

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TV's Frink wrote:

If you were to put generalfrevious and kenkraly2007 in the same room together, I think the universe would explode.

Nah, infinite loops continue endlessly.  That's why types like kenkraly2007 reappear and stay periodically, when 'discussion' is defined as 'here's my point of view', both sides can continue forever.  When someone does attempt to make either side think, that's when the repeaters tend to go elsewhere or grow.

SW BD Trailer????

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adywan said:

generalfrevious said:

On a second note the trailer for the SW BD emphasized the PT more than the OT.

Which trailer? I didn't realise a trailer was out yet

I'll bet he's talking about one of the fan trailers on youtube.

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TV's Frink I am here because I am a star wars fan if you don't like it well that's too bad. It's my right to say what ever I want.

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The problem is, you only ever say one of two things:

"I think the colors on the Blu-Ray are going to be fixed.  I'm going to buy it regardless.  You guys should just be happy with what you're given."

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"It's my right to say whatever I want!"

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chainsawAsh I understand people are upset that the original cuts of EP 4-6 are not going to be on the blu-rays but it's not like it's the end of the world.