The Dark Knight Rises: No Riddler, No 3D — Page 2

The Burton Batman films were both very good films.  They just weren't particularly good Batman films.

Batman was mostly rubbish (Jack Nicholson was doing a good Jack Nicholson but it was a pretty clumsy movie) Batman Returns is Ok for about one viewing (largely because Michelle was so yummy and Christopher Walken is always worth a watch) but it doesn't make any sense. Batman Forever was pretty rubbish Batman And Robin isn't even so bad it's good.

Keaton's whisper was much worse than Bale's growl and the Nolan films have stories (even if the microwave weapon in Batman Begins belongs in a very silly Bond movie).

I'm drowning my Caprica sorrows with a Qui-Gon Gin and Tonic.

Give Serge his own show!

Don't like the title.  Other than that, I can only hope that Nolan and his team bring us another quality product, and perhaps this title is just a place-setter until later.

ChainsawAsh said:

The Burton Batman films were both very good films.  They just weren't particularly good Batman films.

This might be true.  I don't know anything about Batman other than the 60's TV series and what I've seen in films.  And therefore I don't care if the Burton films are good Batman films.  I love them as films.

It depends what you mean by films.

As moving pictures the Burton films have some nice designs in them and a few good performances, some nice soundtrack flurries but they don't make any sense in terms of characterisation or story.

They resemble the PT in that respect and I don't think the PT is even a good trilogy of non-Star Wars films.

If they don't work as Batman films then the Batman iconography and branding becomes as much of an added barrier to enjoyment as the Star Wars connections do to the PT.

The PT will always be compared to the OT and never judged on it's own terms because it's identified as a Star Wars trilogy.

Like wise the Burton/Schumacher films will never be judged on their own terms as films because they will be always be compared to the characters and universe of the comic books.

The Adam West series was actually a rather accurate depiction of a period of the history of the comics (some of the storylines were lifted straight out of comic books in much the same way that the Nolan films are now).

The Burton films don't resemble any version of the comic books.

The inspiration was apparently the darker comics of the eighties (Killing Joke/Dark Knight Returns etc) but it's hard to see that looking at the films.

Bingowings said:

 

The Burton films don't resemble any version of the comic books.

And this, to me, is why they aren't good Batman movies.

But I still enjoy them both despite this fact, hence why I said they're good movies.

Yep.

Nolan's films are much closer to what Batman should be than Burton's were.  They're not perfect, there are things that I'd certainly change, but they're better by a long shot than anything that came before it ...

... with the sole exception of the early-nineties animated series.  Now that was near-perfect Batman right there.  And, by extension, Phantasm.

If you ask me, they should do a proper live-action series, based more directly (but not slavishly) on comic storylines.  Basically make each season a year in the life of Batman.  Season 1 is pretty much Joker-centric, with Harvey Dent in the background.  Season 2 would be all about the fall of Dent and the rise of Two-Face.  Season 3 would see the introduction of Dick Grayson's Robin, et cetera and so on.

Hell, I'd even like to see Robin evolve into Nightwing, and have a Nightwing spin-off.  That could be good.

Note that, while I say the Joker would be the "big bad" of season 1, that doesn't mean that individual episodes wouldn't have their own villains, or that there wouldn't be multi-episode arcs for certain villains (for instance, I'd see the Riddler come into play in the last third of season 1 or the first third of season 2, have him pop up every once in a while for a season or two, then have him start to help Batman in the later seasons).

At least, that's something I think about quite often.  I've thought about writing an outline for the individual seasons just for shits and giggles, but then I realize it would never get made and decide it's pointless.

skyjedi2005 said:

A version of Bane was in Batman and Robin, so i guess he won't be used.  Nor will they do the whole two face arc because of tommy lee's jones over acted forever version.

ah...They already did a Twoface arc [white knight et al]...and then he died.

he DIED skyjedi2005!

I wouldn't mind seeing scarecrow again in some form, sort of like a constant of the series..

Well, if I had my way (that is, if I were the showrunner of a live-action Batman TV show), the Joker would be the primary villain of Season 1 - not in every episode, but popping up for about 1/4 to 1/3 of the episodes.  (Pilot would be the Red Hood, ending with Batman tossing him into a vat of chemicals; episode 2 or 3 would properly introduce the Joker, and he'd pop up every now and again throughout the season.)  Season 1 would end with the Joker being incarcerated in Arkham.

Season 2 would see Batman visit the Joker in Arkham now and again, ostensibly for information on other villains, but really to keep tabs on his "rehabilitation."  Near the end of Season 2, Harley Quinn would come into play, and help him break out of Arkham.

Season 3 and beyond would, as you say, see the Joker showing up every now and again, but not very often, and not regularly (if you want to know what I mean by "regularly," see the Daleks in post-2005 Doctor Who).

Damn it, now you've got me thinking too much about this again ... I might have to start drawing up some outlines ...

And now that I think about it, I might condense seasons 1 and 2 into a single season, so the Joker would be incarcerated at the halfway point of the season, and be broken out at the end.  Possibly.

I can't wait to buy Batman: The Dark Knight: The Caped Crusader: The Medium Pepsi

doubleofive said:

The question is which popular filmed version of Batman will you dress up as next halloween?

The serial Batman as reviewed by The Fusion Syndicate?
Adam West Batman?
Tim Burton's Batman Batman?
Batman Returns Batman?
Batman Forever Batman?
Batman & Robin Batman?
Batman Begins Batman?
The Dark Knight Batman?
Batman: The Dark Knight: The Caped Crusader Batman?

Umm... You guys are way too into Batman.