Complete Comparison of Special Edition Visual Changes — Page 6

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I have the pictures up but no descriptions. Not much there as the wipes are original, but interestingly the wipe from the frog outside Jabba's Palace is new even though the shot isn't enhanced that I can see. However the other matte shots like that are listed as being changed (the hanger and the Ewok village) even though I think they look even worse in 2004. I left them in the listing, but I'm going to comment that they don't look any different.

That scanline thing is crazy. How does that one shot go from green text to red and lose the scanlines? The scanlines maybe I can understand, but how does only the color of the text change?

I removed the shot from the listing, but I'll put it back up as a change reversal.

doubleofive said:

That scanline thing is crazy. How does that one shot go from green text to red and lose the scanlines? The scanlines maybe I can understand, but how does only the color of the text change?

Yes, I have no idea what causing it but in Star Wars you have the green lights behind C-3PO in the oil bath go from green to red and blue and back again between shots, in Empire you have the TIE lasers go from green to yellow and even clear blue in the PAL transfer when they chase the Falcon and the same thing happens with the Falcon, Star Destroyer and TIE lasers in Jedi. The DVNR is not the only flaw of the GOUT...

So even if Lucas had cleaned up the 93 transfer, it's still not any good. Man, that sucks!

msycamore said:

Have you noticed that a small part (left in frame) of the AT-AT's cockpit in the SE is transparant in comparison pics: 57 & 65 but not in the original shot... weird.

So any idea what happened here?

This Lucasfilm description is SE propaganda at its best, "The composite of the bogwing pterodactyl-like creatures has been improved to have a more natural blur."

that unnatural blur they talk about is just DVNR smear. Maybe they cleaned up the composites matte-lines it's very hard to see as the SE transfer is so damn dark sometimes but the first shot of them looks unchanged to me.

They creatures definitely move at different rates, so they were recomped, just probably not for the reasons they state.

As for the invisible part of the walker, not sure what to say.

Looking at the mounting, its definitely right where the original window was, the SE may have been recropped, or the GOUT crappily cropped (like RotJ)

doubleofive said:

They creatures definitely move at different rates, so they were recomped, just probably not for the reasons they state.

 Ah, I see.

zombie84 said:

It looks like that left part was a seperate comp added later to make the cockpit window not seem so wide, but re-comping it for the SE they didn't print it at full opacity for some reason, probably just sheer mistake.

Yeah, that sounds logical. It's funny that they recomped the shot to fix the opacity but in the process created a new transparent issue. :)

In your comparisons you say that several shots were timed differently by a few frames, could it not just be due to the missing frames in the sources? We know the GOUT is missing a few frames in several spots and I'm sure the SE is also missing a few. I doubt the split-comparison DVD is 100% aligned, just a thought.

msycamore said:

In your comparisons you say that several shots were timed differently by a few frames, could it not just be due to the missing frames in the sources? We know the GOUT is missing a few frames in several spots and I'm sure the SE is also missing a few. I doubt the split-comparison DVD is 100% aligned, just a thought.

I may just chalk the frame differences to WookieGroomer's splitscreen if we don't do one that is probably more scientific. I think the shots between Vader's Shuttle SE would be the best to check.

EDIT: Descriptions for RotJ done. Adding to list of lists and first post.

doubleofive said:

Alright, here's where I need some help: RotJ is the one that had the most 2004 changes from 1997, so I need some comparisons/information.

The wipe from the frog outside Jabba's palace (the only one I can tell has been redone). Redone in 1997?
How did they fit Naboo into the end without messing up the music? How are the transitions different?
I need screen shots from the 1997 of the original buildings on Coruscant.
The ending with the ghosts has been butchered in more ways than just Hayden. Is the timing of the end shots any different in 1997? Where does the deviation start between 1997 and 2004?

I would really like to help but I don't own the '97SE of Jedi. Anyway, I think you could add to the Lucasfilm description of the green Falcon laser in pic 84 it was correctly colored red back in '83, that's another GOUT flaw. And damn what ugly some of those Endor shots look in the GOUT transfer, they all seem to have a sickly green tint.

Here is some "scanline-mania" for you guys...

'86 JSC LD - just horizontal scanlines, the same in the '92 US Pan & Scan LD

GOUT - a different screen pattern

'04 DVD - here you can see that same pattern better and you can also see that this is also a redone element in the SE as the screen show more picture information to the left and less to the right, I don't know if it was done in '97 or '04, didn't notice this until I pasted the pic. ;)

GOUT - identical in JSC/Pan & Scan LD

'04 DVD - there is horizontal scanlines, but very thin compared to the original hologram

'86 JSC LD - horizontal scanlines, the same in the '92 US Pan & Scan LD

GOUT - vertical scanlines

'04 DVD - vertical scanlines

'92 US Pan & Scan LD - the same in JSC but used this to better demonstrate them

GOUT - no trace of scanlines

'92 US Pan & Scan LD - the same in JSC

GOUT - there seems to be traces of scanlines in this angle of the hologram but they're very hard to see

Now I don't know what to believe...

msycamore said:

Now I don't know what to believe...

Wow... Me neither. How about SW and ROTJ?

pittrek said:

005 - it sounds like you don't have the SE on DVD. If yes, feel free to contact me :-)

LexX said:

How about SW and ROTJ?

SW is already checked, there's no difference in holograms between the JSC and GOUT but they removed the horizontal scanlines for the SE, how Jedi is, I don't know.

zombie84 said:

Aha. So the scanlines are definitely entirely different elements between the GOUT and JSC. Its not a DVNR thing, these are two separate versions of the composites.

Yes, it seems like it. The only explanation must be minor 70mm/35mm - cut differences if they didn't change things later for a video release, both options seems weird, why would 70mm material suddenly appear in a 35mm-final cut and why would they bother to alter these minor things for a video release in '93 or '86 and perhaps even earlier and which of the composites is the earliest one...?

Doesn't Puggo have the 16mms for SW and ESB?