Mike O said:
Not that I think any of us will change Lucas' mind, but in the age of social networking, I think there's a slightly larger chance to organize. Maybe a Facebook or Twitter page or somesuch?
That's not even close to the point of this thread. This thread is for mocking the OP.
But he is only 34 years old (maybe he was born in 1934).
TheBoost said:
adywan said:
But the good thing is that you can now finally see just who this douche is as he has posted videos of himself listening to DVD audio tracks
http://www.youtube.com/user/EmpireLS56KW#p/u/15/zcvdZkqoxts
And , as he is ignoring most of us, he will never know he's been discovered. lol
Dude sure owns a lot of speakers.
Perhaps it's funny that in a video all about sound quality, I don't understand a a damn thing he says.
But he does have a self describer "golden ear" so it's hard to argue with him
Golden Ear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiophile is an old audiophile myth that goes, back many decades…long before I was even into all, this Hi-Fi. You might say I do have a golden ear that pays attention to listening not one that can only hears, it but one, that listens!
I think for me it goes back to early 1975 when I saw Earthquake in Sensurround, ABC screen1 Bournemouth, at least three times and ticket prices back then for Big Cinematic Sound only cost 79pence! Today the same cinema doesn’t have the balls to play Dolby or dts at the high impact levels that the sub bass CV folded horns did in the early 70’s.
The most SPL db I’ve seen is 105dbc it lacks on 70mm prints same film that I’ve seen at the CIC Empire Leicester Square, via the original JBL THX spec at a bare minimal 13KW. Today it’s up to 56KW with custom JBL.
The reason for the many surrounds is to get simple low cost uniform coverage (around the soon) 6 cinema seats that I’ll be installing. The LCR fronts have there own amplifier for LF and HF that’s controlled though a Behringer DCX2496 (electronic frequency dividing management crossover system). Was that a bit too long?
I listen for timber balance that is sound images that pan slowing or pan left to right or left to centre or right centre as well as along the surrounds or in any direction that it was mixed in.
I was listening to that lame STAR TREK II the one of bluray and the one of DVD same versions released last year and the previous ones first and second edition UK region2 and regionB.
There is missing sound effect that is sparking electrical crackling sound on the (right front HF that is not there on the English track).
Listen to one of the other foreign language tacks and its there!
Bluray time 01:17:47
The NTSC laserdisc makes the DVD versions and the bluray shameful! The sound was on the 70mm Dolby stereo print and I could hear it even from 20 meters away from the screen at the Empire 20 years ago, so who was it, mentioned I needed a hearing aid, cheeky bugger.
So never sale your laserdisc for the sakes of this laughable bluray nonsense it is a con! The studios will keep making up poor excuses time and time and time again to milk you dry! Never Sale Your Laserdiscs! Always keep something at hand for compassion!
Even 2001 is sad case to listen to on DVD and bluay as it was completely re-mixed and all the dialogue panning was gutted and sent to the centre with only a few now and then dialogue half and hard pans.
I've still got the laserdisc! Yes that ancient sad religion to some, but I pity those who are selling there laserdiscs thinking bluray us better. If it was better! I wouldn’t be fucking complaining would I!
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
Are you completely against Bluray? Like I mean, do you own The Dark Knight on Bluray?
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Anyone else think he sounds like a mad preacher? Although the comments on Wrath of Khan have been made by our own Skyjedi in the past.
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Jedi Temple34 said:
I've still got the laserdisc! Yes that ancient sad religion to some, but I pity those who are selling there laserdiscs thinking bluray us better. If it was better! I wouldn’t be fucking complaining would I!
Yes, you probably still would.
Jedi Temple34 said:
I've still got the laserdisc! Yes that ancient sad religion to some, but I pity those who are selling there laserdiscs thinking bluray us better. If it was better! I wouldn’t be fucking complaining would I!
Following your logic, if blu-ray was worse, nobody would be selling them instead of laserdiscs. Don't you think?
Alexrd said:
Jedi Temple34 said:
I've still got the laserdisc! Yes that ancient sad religion to some, but I pity those who are selling there laserdiscs thinking bluray us better. If it was better! I wouldn’t be fucking complaining would I!
Following your logic, if blu-ray was worse, nobody would be selling them instead of laserdiscs. Don't you think?
Well don’t follow to hard it might cause and overload. LOL
Well that’s there provocative. If they what to dump them on the one viewing listening chance that, they think the laserdisc is worthless fine, only mean I get to a chance of buying it cheap on fleabay. LOL
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
The directors cut of wrath of khan soundtrack was derived from the 70mm mix, i mean the 5.1 track in english of course.
I think the recent release of the restored theatrical cut is based on the 35mm mix of the film, but i could be wrong.
The Horner music sounds awesome though on the first issue pan and scan laserdisc and somewhat muffled on the newly cooked up DVD mix.
It is possible that the blu ray is sounding superior and because they purposely made the re-issue DVD sound like crap.
I know they did this with star trek remastered on the DVD the 5.1 was a faked mix and did not have the mono track. On the Blu ray not only did they have the correct mono track, but also the original effects as a bonus via seemless branching.
Also the first time the mono tracks have been available since the japan laserdiscs of the original series, the 2004 DVD's had the mono retracked into stereo 2 channel fakery.
The Music was re-recorded for the series so in that essence that is not faked when they did a new 7.1 mix, but the rest of it is faked from the surviving mono broadcast tapes.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
adywan said:
Jedi Temple34 said:
I've still got the laserdisc! Yes that ancient sad religion to some, but I pity those who are selling there laserdiscs thinking bluray us better. If it was better! I wouldn’t be fucking complaining would I!
Yes, you probably still would.
Oh BURN!
skyjedi2005
Well I know there not entirely faithful to the theatrical releases and Paramount had the gore to tell me in an email.
There’s missing sound effect on Star Trek the motion picture where Sulu presses a button screen left, just after receiving new orders by captain Kirk to keep the Enterprise 500 meters above intruder, and just before McCoy exits the bridge in the turbo-lift.
Have a listen and if you happen to have the US regionA it might be intact on the Dolby film mix!
I noticed when the same versions where aired on Channel4 a few months back just weeks into the 70mm run in the USA, seems odd doesn’t it? LOL I noticed it had the same echo effect on Sooty voices intercom right channel, warning Kirk about the warp drive system. It should be dry sound with no echo reverb effect on stage right that filters onto the faked stereo surrounds SIGH!
The sound effect of Sulu pressing the button on helm control was there! So it lead me to believe, it might be as US copy, or other as it had PAL4% speed-up that is common in this country with TV broadcasts and video consumer products.
Another thing I noticed and its not easy to control unless you have some fancy audio gear to tame the audio frequency levels is, the ending of STAR TREK II the sweeping Horner score moving with the images of Genesis, is damn bright toppy on screen HF left!
I don’t recall remembering this when played at the Empire Leicester Square in 70mm 20 years ago, it had nice balance over the screen fronts and a very TIGHT BASS LOW END! VERY TIGHT! That may sound a bit lose in the home with smaller loudspeakers.
Even the narration at the end of the low end humming organ like sound, was pressing on my body from 20 meters away.
Now that is what I call a critically well balanced aligned JBL THX sound system!
If you have the free fancy Spectrumlab and use to monitor each of the 6 channels you’ll see which ones have the tight low bass it, might seem weak to some Transformers, nuts who like LFE.1 at mindless silly levels.
I welcome a bit of audio compression and just turn up the level to safe 85db while giving tremendous weight to older Dolby soundtracks rather than this bright harsh like sound, I’m not that hard of hearing, I can hear some sound effects up to around 16KHz for my age, but it takes a high compliance compression driver with high sensitivity of +100db to handle the easy of the frequencies, rather than putting strain on smaller HF tweeters that have lower sensitivity.
I’m talking about Alien3 (1992) when Ripley does cat-scan the scanner has high pitch tone that should pinch your ears a little bit, not aggressively just so its noticeable! You may have to EQ because other tones that are lower than 10KHz going upwards will stand in its way, from common 2KHz upwards to 8KHz.
A little audio limiting on the HF to protect the driver from sudden peaks that can damage the voice coil helps.
So once again I listen! If its played at lower volume the sound will sound small and higher tone shave small wavelengths. Its easier on headphones but the challenge is airborne into the room.
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
TheBoost said:
adywan said:
Jedi Temple34 said:
I've still got the laserdisc! Yes that ancient sad religion to some, but I pity those who are selling there laserdiscs thinking bluray us better. If it was better! I wouldn’t be fucking complaining would I!
Yes, you probably still would.
Oh BURN!
For that comment I’ll put you on carbon freezing ignore list and let you chill out for week. LOL
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
FYI, that's not a very menacing threat when you've already put over forty people (!) on your ignore list, many of whom have never had any interaction with you whatsoever.
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
The cat-scan scene in Alien3 (1992) chapter 19 region 2 DVD
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
The Truman Show (1998) has a laughable moment as Truman drives though the town, while having radio reception difficulties. The higher pitch frequency (I’ve outlined in red).
I recall this bending my ear in the cinema in Dolby SR-D played over the JBL 4675-A.
The tone extends quite far up the HF register. Maybe I need to reset the Spectrumlap to higher scale above 20 KHz.
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
“Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” (1989) DVD LFE.1
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
skyjedi2005 said:
The directors cut of wrath of khan soundtrack was derived from the 70mm mix, i mean the 5.1 track in english of course.
I think the recent release of the restored theatrical cut is based on the 35mm mix of the film, but i could be wrong.
What exactly are the differences and which do you prefer?
Gore? I think you meant gall (or maybe balls) m'dear.
Jedi Temple34 posted:
[huge, dull, meaningless pictures]
Every 27th customer will get a ball-peen hammer, free!
The frequency pics are only useful if you have something to compare them against. Otherwise, they simply exist in a vaccum.
I do have to agree though--audio-wise, LDs have value. Yes, HD audio is lossless and in theory should be the same. But sometimes its not. Its re-mixed, and I find often that modern re-mixes simply aren't as good as the original mixes. But there's also the problem of digital audio. As an ardent vinyl collector, I will never listen to a CD if I have a well-preserved LP of the same recording. Even if its the same mix, in theory the digital version should identical or superior, but in practice there is a certain unmeasureable quality than an LP has. People describe it as a "warmth", but its something more complex than that, there is a harshness and crudeness to a lot of digital audio that you simply don't get in analog, aside from the often inferior mixing jobs. Maybe people will argue its just psychological, maybe they are partly right, and certainly many digital audio files are better than the best LP pressings for various reasons, but I do think there is a bit of truth in what JediTray is saying. I'll admit I've not heard very many BDs, though.
On the other hand, I would think its a bit exaggerated to say LD is better than BR. LD looks like shit. Yeah, it sound better--a little bit--but there is no way in the world anyone anywhere could say the soft, noisy picture of a Laserdisc compares to the rich, velvety quality of a high-def image. I mean, sometimes its better than what you saw in the theatre. A movie is not audio, and even though Lucas says "sound is 50% of the experience", this is just a philosophical expression, as the brain processes visual information at a much higher rate so its really only like 20% of the experience, and the difference between an LD and a BD in terms of audio, even though I would say in some cases there may be a difference, is not exactly huge.
Akwat Kbrana said:
Jedi Temple34 posted:
[huge, dull, meaningless pictures]
Amen.
I find some bluray ether too dark comparing some generation of laserdisc to DVD to bluray (some).
Grease looks about the same as from laserdisc to DVD to bluray and its in DOLBY STEREO TureHD YEAH, but re-mixed! SIGH as the original wouldn’t have had split-stereo-surrounds for (1977) that’s one year too early!
The version we have is the 1997 re-issue for cinemas that was mixed in Dolby digital SR-D some if not some elements would be true to the theatrical 6trackDolby stereo, road show 70mm release.
Black Rain (1989) as been remixed as I’m sure the 70mm release would be monaural surrounds not split-stereo-surrounds. It sounds fake when listening to the surrounds with crosstalk of some Foley effects that should only remain on the LCR its an off screen Foley effect I noticed when I muted the LCR and listened to the surrounds.
I think the early edition on DVD very first edition is true to theatrical release as the version for bluray is the special edition release that was produced some years before the bluray.#
What the studios often do is take the special crappy edition and do a lazy ass bluray that’s fit for the rubbish bin!
I might buy the region1DVD of Black Rain at some point.
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
Blue Thunder (1983) and 2010 (1984) had faked stereo surrounds! Thank goodness I still have the DVD!
It took less than a few seconds to notice this and was I fucking angry!
Warner and Sony have there fucking nerve! I wonder if Blue Thunder special edition has this fucked up fake stereo surround that masks over the original monaural surround that fades in as and when its called for in the Dolby film mix, now totally ruined on this so called fucking brilliant crappy bluray!
Same issue with 2010 faked stereo surrounds and even the LFE.1 on both films are fake! The LFE.1 should and only come in as and when it’s called upon! It sounds active all the time! SIGH SIGH SIGH
I wonder if the 2010 on region2 or region1 later re-issue editions have this botched up fake stereo surround remix or maybe they only did it for the bluray in some cheap ass basement using retard pro-tools to fucking piss people off!
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.