No, MY thoughts on the state of OT.com — Page 3

bkev said:

Warb, Anchorhead is a Star Wars '77 fan. Basically, just Star Wars and occasional EU not dicated by Lucas. I believe he even walked out of ROTJ way back when... I would think you would respect his opinion.

Oh, I respect it, but I disagree with it.   Most people on here would, cause most love ESB.  Some also like ROTJ(me).    As an OOT fan, I must disagree with it 

Anchorhead said:

Warbler said:

so you don't think ESB and ROTJ should have been made?

Wouldn't have bothered me one way or the other.  Plenty of other stories to tell.  I liked Empire when it was released.  After a while, I saw it for what it was.  The beginning of the shrinking universe via Lucas' writers block.

a Star Wars fan that wouldn't mind no ESB.   I never thought I'd see that.

Anchorhead said:

a children's bed time story?  is that what you regard ESB and ROTJ?

Empire - only the I am your father bit. 

that bit doesn't seem like a childrens bed time story to me. 

Anchorhead said:

Return - very much a childrens bedtime story, complete with plush toys and a happily ever after ending.

I guess I'll grant you that one.

Anchorhead said:

but you claim to no longer like the first trilogy.    

Have we met before? -  I haven't been a fan of anything other than the 1977 story for about 20 years.  

but the 1977 is a part of the OOT.     or maybe what you meant to say was that you didn't like the rest of the OOT other than the first movie?  

Anchorhead said:

If you can ask me, those things are no more or less a part of the OOT than they of the NPR.

I addressed that in the quote you posted immediately after.

What were once interesting and somewhat mysterious parts of the story became the very over-explained primary focus of the franchise.

but wasn't that done in the PT and SE and not in the OOT?   The force was still mysterious even after ROTJ.    

Anchorhead said:

sounds like to me, you might prefer the Star Trek universe over that of Star Wars.

I read one book about 15 years ago and liked it.  Lost Years I think it was.  Not sure why I'm not a Trek uber-nerd.  I imagine there might be some very interesting books alright.

ever watch TOS and the first 6 movies?   Or the other series and movies for that matter?

Anchorhead said:

but the NPR is basically the same story, just more detailed.   When you say the NPR,  do you just mean the NPR of the first movie or all three?

NPR Star Wars.  Whenever I mention Star Wars - I'm speaking of the first film\story only, unless I specifically state otherwise.

ah, now I get it a little better.  I at first was assuming you were referring to all 3 NRP's. 

as I said before, I guess we're just different and that's ok.

This thread is now about STAR TREK VS STAR WARS and ANCHORHEAD'S OPINION OF ESB AND ROTJ.

Oh, and ICE CREAM.

Akwat Kbrana said:

...This "shrunken universe" phenomenon gets gradually worse as the OT progresses, but takes an Obama-federal-deficit-sized quantum leap with the onset of the PT.

This is what I like about the very early Han Solo and Lando Calrissian novels.  And Splinter of the Minds Eye, to a lesser extent.  The authors took the characters to whole new worlds without worrying about continuity and were able to focus on character development.

Frankly, I'm surprised Ep. 3 didn't include a ten-year-old Han solo winning the Falcon from lil' Lando,

This wouldn't surprise me as a young Han Solo was storyboarded into Episode 3 but wisely not filmed.  Yet.

Warbler said:

Anchorhead said:

but you claim to no longer like the first trilogy.    

Have we met before? -  I haven't been a fan of anything other than the 1977 story for about 20 years.  

but the 1977 is a part of the OOT.     or maybe what you meant to say was that you didn't like the rest of the OOT other than the first movie? 

But it wasn't part of any trilogy for the first 3 years of its existence.  It was just Star Wars, and that was it.  That's what Anchorhead is a fan of, so to him, it's not a part of any "trilogy" - it's just a very good movie.  (not to put words in your mouth, Anchorhead)

Warb, to you, the three films of the original trilogy are one and inseparable.  That's not the case for Anchorhead.

See, the way he sees Star Wars is the way I see Indiana Jones - I'm really only a fan of Raiders of the Lost Ark.  To my mind, the other movies are vastly inferior.  The way I look at it, Lucas and Spielberg made a fantastic film, then decided to make a spinoff trilogy featuring one of the main characters, and said spinoff trilogy wasn't as good.

I have Temple, Crusade, and Skull on my hard drive - they're not terrible movies, but I don't have the desire to watch them often enough to own the discs.  I own Raiders on DVD, and it's also on my hard drive.  I even made a copy with no menu, a new disc label, and a new cover so I wouldn't have to look at that fucking new title that places it in the same series as the other three films.

And I just realized that this totally turned into a rant about how much I love Raiders and don't like the other three, when I'm trying to defend Anchorhead, so I'll just stop right there.

1.  this site's mean objective, and one many members on here agree with is to get the OOT released on DVD and now Blu Ray.  It not just to get the original Star Wars released.   

2.  I could find you multiple posts where people claim the ESB is their favorite Star Wars film.  They actually prefer it to the first movie. 

3.  the story wasn't over at the end of the first movie.    Vader was still alive, the war between Empire and rebellion wasn't over.  Luke had yet to fulfill his promise to become a Jedi.   What is wrong with wrapping all that up?

4.  When this first started it seemed like Anchorhead had a problem with the whole OOT, not just ESB and ROTJ.  He even said he'd prefer the Han Solo books over it.   Why piss on the first movie?  

ok.

Warbler said:

1.  this site's mean objective, and one many members on here agree with is to get the OOT released on DVD and now Blu Ray.  It not just to get the original Star Wars released.

This is true, but why does that mean Anchorhead has to like ESB and ROTJ?  The movie he loves isn't on DVD or Blu-Ray, either.

Warbler said:

2.  I could find you multiple posts where people claim the ESB is their favorite Star Wars film.  They actually prefer it to the first movie.

I say again, why does this mean Anchorhead has to agree?

Warbler said:

 

3.  the story wasn't over at the end of the first movie.    Vader was still alive, the war between Empire and rebellion wasn't over.  Luke had yet to fulfill his promise to become a Jedi.   What is wrong with wrapping all that up?

Nothing is wrong with it.  It's just that Anchorhead disagrees with the way in which it was wrapped up.

Besides, just because everything wasn't "wrapped up" neatly by the end of the first film doesn't mean it didn't work brilliantly as a stand-alone film.  Despite what George says, when he wrote the first film, he never intended to make sequels.  I've read the original treatment and script, the stuff about him taking out the middle part and making a trilogy out of it is B.S. - he wrote Star Wars, that was it.  He later decided to make sequels, and leave room for movies set before the original, as well.

Warbler said:

4.  When this first started it seemed like Anchorhead had a problem with the whole OOT, not just ESB and ROTJ.  He even said he'd prefer the Han Solo books over it.   Why piss on the first movie?

I believe he feels that the way the "saga" has continued from 1980 to today has tainted his opinion of the original film, and that because of this, he now prefers the radio drama and the Han Solo books to the films themselves.

Why does this bother you on such a personal level?

Warbler said:

2.  I could find you multiple posts where people claim the ESB is their favorite Star Wars film.  They actually prefer it to the first movie. 

 

 That might be true, but for the record I vote for SW as my favorite, with (an unpopular one I know) jedi as my second favorite. Not that I don't love Empire.

Anchorhead said:

I don't have to champion the proper release of Empire & Return because when we get Star Wars, we'll get Empire & Return.  No one need worry about that particular detail.

Wouldn't it be wierd, if Lucas was all "You can have SW77 and the original ROTJ, but I will never release the original ESB... just because I'm a dick. Mwa-ha-ha!"

I love Caprica so I'm getting used to being a minority voice.

ChainsawAsh said:

Why does this bother you on such a personal level?

I wouldn't say it bothers me on a personal level.  I just find it strange and unusual.   

Anchorhead said:

2.  I could find you multiple posts where people claim the ESB is their favorite Star Wars film.  They actually prefer it to the first movie.

What on God's green Earth does that have to do with which film\story\version\novels I prefer?  My opinion isn't incorrect - no one's is.

agreed I just posted that to show the your opinion is unusual.

Anchorhead said:

3.  the story wasn't over at the end of the first movie.    Vader was still alive, the war between Empire and rebellion wasn't over.  Luke had yet to fulfill his promise to become a Jedi.   What is wrong with wrapping all that up?

No, it wasn't over, nor was it a cliffhanger. The next two films answered questions I wasn't asking. As did the one prequel I saw.  

I'm sure others didn't mind the answers the OOT gave.

Anchorhead said:

4.  When this first started it seemed like Anchorhead had a problem with the whole OOT, not just ESB and ROTJ.  He even said he'd prefer the Han Solo books over it.   Why piss on the first movie? 

Where did I do that? 

here:

Anchorhead said:

Warbler said:

So you like the three Brian Daley Han Solo books better than the OOT?  

Yes.  I just don't have any interest anymore in Lucas Star Wars. 

"OOT" and "Lucas Star Wars"   includes the first movie.  That statement would say that you like that Han Solo books over the first movie and that you have no interest in the first movie anymore

Anchorhead said:

 

Dude - I'm on a fucking Star Wars message board.  How does that equate to pissing on Star Wars?

perhaps "pissing" was the wrong word to use.    But when originally started this, it seemed like you didn't like the first movie.  

I'll stop now.    

Warbler said:

Anchorhead said:

Warbler said:

So you like the three Brian Daley Han Solo books better than the OOT?  

Yes.  I just don't have any interest anymore in Lucas Star Wars. 

"OOT" and "Lucas Star Wars"   includes the first movie.  That statement would say that you like that Han Solo books over the first movie and that you have no interest in the first movie anymore

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he's saying.  I just don't understand why you seem to be so upset by this.

bkev said:

I'd say that avatar would do it. :p

edit: good call. Not to join on the Warb-bashing parade, but history would repeat itself with you two and baseball as it did last year.

you have me rather curious as to what he originally posted there.