Warbler said:

hairy_hen said:

... tossing about largely empty and ill-defined notions like 'freedom' while playing up arrogance and cultural superiority as justification for all kinds of horrible things.

... So freedom is an empty and ill-defined notion, and we bomb countries cause we think they have bigger dicks huh? wonderful. Here I thought that things like 911 and Pearl Harbor had something to do with why we bomb countries.

You have to admit that "freedom" is term whose definition is tricky when in America we celebrate the Cost of freedom ("tree of liberty... blood of patriots" and "Freedom isn't free" bumper stickers) and at the same time invade countries and "give"/force democracy on them and wonder why it doesn't take.

And when it comes to why we go to war, Self Defence, Retaliation, or "Whatever Reason We Invaded Iraq" aren't exactly the same as "Freedom."