JediTray's VINYL preservation project (CANCELLED) — Page 3

**EDIT**

I think I found a way to keep them 24 bit.  The problem was in the FLAC department, so I will be releasing everything in WAV.  Larger files, but I think worth it in the end.

Here is the 3rd sample, which is a 24 bit WAV of the final product.  Unless there's a technical issue or something, I will be going ahead.

Sample link removed to conserve Webspace.

Oh, I'll think twice before trying it then. The last time I tried to read a 24bit file, my computer crashed... And unfortunately I won't set up my computer for 24-bit audio (or I would have done it long before, as you can imagine!).

Edit: Weird ! It works... Yes, it really sounds superior to the previous sample, and brighter.

Whatch out your levels, you're slightly overpeaked:

... From sample 3.

Yeah I noticed that too, during the loud flourish.  I will adjust.  It's much better doing it this way with samples, instead of finding out later that a whole album is toast!

Okay, sample 3 has been corrected and replaced.

How's the dB's now?

How's the dB's now?

That is a hard guess. But I think it may be too loud cause if you keep this volume for the whole recording, there is some chances for "The forest Battle" track will be overpeaked.

I'd fix the volume for the "Forest Battle" wich is the louder and best sounding cue on this whole recording definitely, and make the rest of the recording follow.

Another solution that may work fine however may be to keep the current volume for the whole recording, and treat the "forest battle" aside, lowering it just a bit.

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Edit: The thing is the quality of the RSO RotJ mixes are unequal. I noticed that the best they are, the louder they sound... And "the Forest Battle" has the ultimate mixing quality on this Jedi recording, and so the louder sound.

Yeah, I noted that The Forest Battle was the loudest when I was making the initial recording, so what I will do is treat it separately from the others with the output level.

Thanks!

Well, after trying many methods and getting a response from technical support, the final product will have to be 16 bit afterall.  Sorry for all the back-and-forth, but I'm still learning.

satanika said:

 

... Unless you're using some really weird-ass old software like ABC does.

Fixed! Hahem... Speak your heart, be my guest ! ;)

LOL!  :)

Well, it's simply a matter of the DePopper being 16 bit.  Anything more becomes a muttled mess that Nine Inch Nails wouldn't even sample. 

Medical problem has arisen and my neighbor's wife is dying in the hospital.  More later....

Sorry to hear that, JT.

Okay, things are back on track.

I should have the ROTJ package done tonight or tomorrow.  I have decided to adjust the dB levels on each track individually, so when played, the peaks will be more the same across the board and the listener won't have to keep adjusting their volume.  I think it's the better way to go.  It takes more time, but with the dynamics of the vinyl, it is worth it.

I think I will make the vinyl stuff all available as WAV, and the CD will be a straight FLAC rip with no adjustments.

Okay, things are back on track.

I have decided to adjust the dB levels on each track individually, so when played, the peaks will be more the same across the board and the listener won't have to keep adjusting their volume.

Did they ever go off track, it was a little over 24 hours.  Most projects go weeks without updates.

I disagree with leveling each track individually.  It doesn't make sense to have the love theme at air plane level decibels just so someone doesn't need to adjust the volume when transitioning from the Imperial March.  The recording industry has done just this to everything of late, i would guess to suit the earphone generation who buys singles.  But this was not the goal of this original recording, it was meant to be played in a 'semi' quiet theater as an overall piece of music.

none said:

Did they ever go off track, it was a little over 24 hours.  Most projects go weeks without updates.

I disagree with leveling each track individually.  It doesn't make sense to have the love theme at air plane level decibels just so someone doesn't need to adjust the volume when transitioning from the Imperial March.  The recording industry has done just this to everything of late, i would guess to suit the earphone generation who buys singles.  But this was not the goal of this original recording, it was meant to be played in a 'semi' quiet theater as an overall piece of music.

 

 Yes, things were a bit off track as of last night due to medical stuff which I thought was going to take longer, hence the speedy update.

Let me rephrase about the audio levels.  What I really meant to say was that if the track has very loud peaks that aren't the same as the tracks that precede it, it will be adjusted down.  For example, "Into The Trap" has fantastic peaks that are generally the same as "Main Title" so they are left alone.  Then, "Luke and Leia" is very quiet for most of the piece, but I do NOT adjust it UP.  The ONLY adjusting that occurs is DOWN if a brass flourish or something suddenly goes off the chart.

That is what I meant.  Sorry for the confusion.  Believe me, I don't like the dynamics being screwed with like what is done for CD's these days, either.

Okay, look guys, I screwed up in my post.  I didn't mean that I was going to be toying with the range.  I record a whole side of a record at a time, then draw the resulting file out and look at all the loud parts for that side.  When I find the loudest spot on the record, I adjust the overall volume for that entire record based on that one spot.  I do not bring any other parts up, nor adjust anything else down, because I know the peaks will not get higher than that one spot.  If it happens in more than one place, then I play back every second of every loud spot and adjust ONLY ONCE to the absolute loudest part.  This maintains the integrity.

... I really think "the Forest battle" is the only 'superior' track compared to the others. Even "the Emperor" wich has loud brass section doesn't match the dynamic and loudness of it. So, apart from this, I think the whole recording fits very well as a whole.

The ROTJ LP is ready for download.  PM for details.

Wow... just got my computer back up and running (yay for overnight delivery!), and I just listened to the samples.  Freaking.  Amazing.  I so can't wait to hear what you've done with Return of the Jedi.  Sending PM right now!  :-)

Sounds really good from the tracks I've listened to so far, nice job.

What's the sound at about 1:53 on 'The Emperor' track?

You mean the squeaking winds?  That's how the track is supposed to sound, but has been muted with all of the tinkering over the years!  Welcome to dynamic range, my friend.  :)

It's not just a question of dynamic range. The mixing is totally different on the Anthology transfer. There's a kind of far siren on the RSO version on that track you won't hear on the Anthology for exemple. But the Anthology still has too a few things the RSO version has not, as a very good stereo for only instance.

Ah, ok. I suppose it's like the sounds of music sheets being turned during quiet moments you can sometimes hear on soundtracks :)

Is the music where the Falcon and other rebels fly into the Death Star tunnel sequence on this LP? That's one of my favorite parts of the movie.