Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 289

doubleofive said:

RE Vader23: Either a joke, or the most unintentionally funny thing I've read recently (xhonzi wins the most intentionally funny thing I've read recently).

My money is on unintentionally funny.

And despite my MegaTiger comment, xhonzi's post definitely wins Post of the Day.

^Post of the Day*

   Seemed like a galaxy-wide problem in the morning, before running out the door. Went for galactic solution.

ben_danger said:

could the imperials be strip mining endor to build the death star? when the rebels enter they could fly over large machinery and numerous quarries.

Well, without the direct rip from Avatar's approach to Hell's Gate(which was done by ILM btw), the idea of Endor providing resources makes sense. Deforestation, strip mining, etc, etc.

But instead of blue cat people we have Ewoks and Star Wars.

thejediknighthusezni said:

   Seemed like a galaxy-wide problem in the morning, before running out the door. Went for galactic solution.

Tell me about it.  Last time I woke up with a galaxy-wide problem, I couldn't even remember where I had been the night before, let alone who I was with.  But I looked next to me, and I immediately knew I needed to find a galactic solution--

Wait, what?

shanerjedi said:

ben_danger said:

could the imperials be strip mining endor to build the death star? when the rebels enter they could fly over large machinery and numerous quarries.

Well, without the direct rip from Avatar's approach to Hell's Gate(which was done by ILM btw), the idea of Endor providing resources makes sense. Deforestation, strip mining, etc, etc.

 

But instead of blue cat people we have Ewoks and Star Wars.

i hope i don't get defined as an avatar fan, as i can't stand the film. however much it may seem like a rip off as an idea, the way it is portrayed and combined with numerous alternative elements will play it down. it can just be a convenient "look how nasty the empire is" moment.

i'm sure avatar isn't the first film to feature an environmental issue (although i scratch my head to think of another sci-fi with deforestation)

how about replacing ewoks with ents...?:S

ben_danger said:

i'm sure avatar isn't the first film to feature an environmental issue (although i scratch my head to think of another sci-fi with deforestation)

Star Trek I thru VI?

ben_danger said:

shanerjedi said:

ben_danger said:

could the imperials be strip mining endor to build the death star? when the rebels enter they could fly over large machinery and numerous quarries.

Well, without the direct rip from Avatar's approach to Hell's Gate(which was done by ILM btw), the idea of Endor providing resources makes sense. Deforestation, strip mining, etc, etc.

 

But instead of blue cat people we have Ewoks and Star Wars.

i hope i don't get defined as an avatar fan, as i can't stand the film. however much it may seem like a rip off as an idea, the way it is portrayed and combined with numerous alternative elements will play it down. it can just be a convenient "look how nasty the empire is" moment.

i'm sure avatar isn't the first film to feature an environmental issue (although i scratch my head to think of another sci-fi with deforestation)

how about replacing ewoks with ents...?:S

You said yourself you thought of Princess Mononoke, not Avatar. Avatar is derivative as all get out.

But then so was Miyazaki, Tolkein, and numerous other writers and filmmakers.

We keep seeing the same themes pop up in numerous films and books because they resonate with people.

SW is derivative too. It took classic storytelling structures and themes, gave them new environments and settings, and used cutting edge vfx.

They work.

doubleofive said:

 

TV's Frink said:

ben_danger said:
i'm sure avatar isn't the first film to feature an environmental issue (although i scratch my head to think of another sci-fi with deforestation)

Star Trek I thru VI?

LOL so hard.

 

This was an edit - I originally said "Star Trek Generations," which of course was de-deforested.

TV's Frink said:

ben_danger said:

i'm sure avatar isn't the first film to feature an environmental issue (although i scratch my head to think of another sci-fi with deforestation)

Star Trek I thru VI?

oh god frink. i actually cried then when it clicked.

shanerjedi said:

You said yourself you thought of Princess Mononoke,

the mononoke thought was also the idea of the wood spirits (the kodama).

perhaps just something small, like removing all the ewoks chattering could make them a bit more 'mysterious'. i'm not at all suggesting that they be portrayed as small white men or anything.

also, the dinosaurs etc. if endor was more primordial, the presence of bigger badder beasts would also make the ewoks seem tougher just by their very survival.

You can go into the same themes and ideas:(natural world is better, industrialised is bad) without getting too close to those Shinto-like ideas Miyazaki explored in Mononoke.

Isn't it funny though how closely related all the talk from Yoda about the Force being tied to all living things can cover much the same ground?

Originally Lucas had the idea of Had Abbadon, home of the Empire, being overpopulated. It was a city-planet. Endor was nearby and was being cleared for resettlement of people from Had Abbadon.

So my suggestion is to try and keep the spirit of Lucas' original idea there with some sort of action by the Empire that causes a timely dilemma for the Ewoks.

I like the idea of the Empire plundering it for resources for the DS2 because it would be easier to accomplish and would be less clunky than force migration of Imperial citizens to a forest moon.

It would also give us an opportunity to show a scene or two of the damage wrought by the Empire.

Maybe the rebels go through a section of forest that has been clear cut? Maybe the speeder bike pilots the heroes confront early on are parked in a clear cut area or something?

Then you could have a scene showing the heroes a rusted out AT AT or something.

So first establish: Empire ruining the planet.

Then establish: something here is fighting back. But what?

Then Leia meets Wicket. What? These guys? Come on.

Then when we see them in battle we're like: S***! These Teddy bears are little versions of Wookies.

I also like the idea of the Ewoks facing a threat. A perilous threat to their way of life and very existence(like losing their forest, their home).

ROTJ should up the ante waaay up. It is the climax and should show how dastardly the Empire can clearly be.

I dislike how ROTJ just bums along. And the Empire doesn't really do anything particularly offensive.

Hello all, been a long time since I posted.

I like where this thread is going. The idea that the Empire is using Endor as a source for resources in building the Death Star is a great idea.

How else would you keep the building of it secret? If your pulling resources from across the galaxy it would be easier to discover with all the shipping needed to deliver the resources.

I hope Ady feels that he needs to add in some more activity around the DS2. It seems so bland for being under construction. There is no movement, no flashes of welding, no shipping traffic, no construction traffic....

My two cents.

Matticon

^^What's wrong with your face?

It's a very good idea.

I remember Darth Venal did a mockup of the palace surrounded with a large vineyard style moisture farm (remember the olives in The Godfather and the oranges in Chinatown) to grow fresh food to feed the court (which ties in with feudal castles too).

Putting the Palace in an Oasis is a logical extension to that idea.

Tents and banners representing an encampment for people waiting on an audience might be nice too.

Bingowings said:

It's a very good idea.

I remember Darth Venal did a mockup of the palace surrounded with a large vineyard style moisture farm (remember the olives in The Godfather and the oranges in Chinatown) to grow fresh food to feed the court (which ties in with feudal castles too).

Putting the Palace in an Oasis is a logical extension to that idea.

Tents and banners representing an encampment for people waiting on an audience might be nice too.

Between all the comic relief on these threads there are some good ideas, my only worry is if suggestions like this gets lost in the jetsam.

J 

Booooooooooooooo....

Jaitea said:

Bingowings said:

It's a very good idea.

I remember Darth Venal did a mockup of the palace surrounded with a large vineyard style moisture farm (remember the olives in The Godfather and the oranges in Chinatown) to grow fresh food to feed the court (which ties in with feudal castles too).

Putting the Palace in an Oasis is a logical extension to that idea.

Tents and banners representing an encampment for people waiting on an audience might be nice too.

Between all the comic relief on these threads there are some good ideas, my only worry is if suggestions like this gets lost in the jetsam.

J

That's where people like doubleofive come in and compile useful lists of genuine ideas skipping through the moments of levity.