Again, I say, if it was any other user I would agree with you... But in this case I don't.
And just so my topic is on topic; Prequels suck and need a radical redux. =)
The recent talk here has centered around starting the film as the queen escapes Naboo. I think we might have talked about it before too.
I still love the idea. It puts you right in the center of the action and sets up the good guys and bad guys right away.
Plus it gives us the opportunity to later revisit Naboo as a through narrative instead of going back to it. The OT always had us going from one planet to the next with the heroes.
I agree.... Going back to a world in the same movie is a bit crazy for sure.
Only problem is that's a huge chunk of film that is chopped from the movie. How do you get all that time back? Or does everyone feel that losing what, 30-40 minutes doesn't hurt it?
It's a good idea and I don't think the actual time cut from the movie would be missed. I just think we'd miss a lot character introductions. The material doesn't really support it either.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with going back to the planet, it fits in the traditional story arc of resolving a problem that was set up in the first act.
It would be nice however if we could see some change on Naboo: blastmarks on the buildings or (partially) destroyed buildings, grazed meadows, burnt down forests, stuff like that. That would really drive home the seriousness of the queen's plight throughout the film.
George Lucas said:
We don't need to see it...we're told the people are dying, isn't that good enough for you?
:p
My idea was to take some of the stuff from the beginning of the film and put in into the final act of the film (having Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon fight Maul on the droid command ship makes sense of that bizarre power station thing for starters).
Start on Coruscant then Tatooine then Naboo (like Tatooine, Death Star and Yavin in ANH).
But by starting on Coruscant you wait forever for the first piece of action... It should always begin with action.
I suggested an initial blast of action elsewhere as a warning to what could happen on Naboo and to introduce Dooku and the Council (thus copying the structure of ANH of starting with a bang).
You could just start the movie off with that space battle perhaps. Make it seem like it's going on throughout the movie.... I don't know. Haven't seen TPM for about 2 years.
I thought more about one of the other future Separatist members attacking another peaceful world (with Sith prompting) with catastrophic results and Dooku broadcasting his observations to a skeptical council.
Giving a total free hand for a new opening sequence.
I wouldn't have Nute Gunray land until near the end of the film when he is convinced that the Naboo and the Gungans have both been defeated by his Geonosian battledroids.
Sort of like V'Ger attacking the Klingons sets up the danger to Earth in Star Trek The Slow Motion Picture.
mrbenja0618 said:
But by starting on Coruscant you wait forever for the first piece of action... It should always begin with action.
It would. it would start with the queen's ship fleeing the blockade.
And Bingo is right. Remember the discussion about putting the final duel on board the federation ship? You could even put all the Kenobi/Jinn slice and dicing of droids into the spot just before the duel begins. maybe they fight their way to a door, it opens, and there is Maul....waiting.
*cue duel of the fates*
Maybe the jedi are fighting to the bridge to shut down the droid army? maybe they're fighting to the hangar/generator room to sabotage the power generator for the droid army.
That's what that generator could be. The power generator for the entire droid force.
shanerjedi said:
mrbenja0618 said:
But by starting on Coruscant you wait forever for the first piece of action... It should always begin with action.
It would. it would start with the queen's ship fleeing the blockade.
The movie starts with Ric "Action" Olie?
LOVE IT!!!
That sounds fantastic... But how do we get the Jedi onto the ship? I'm not being critical, I really want to know. Heck if we can figure out a way, I may take a stab.
The senate did suggest that an investigation should take place so perhaps the Jedi land in the hanger under the guise of official investigators and Sidious advises that they be killed.
TVs Frink
"The movie starts with Ric "Action" Olie?
LOVE IT!!!"
Olie: It's the blockade and we're escaping it!
Bingo Good idea for Sidious. It almost inverts the original structure. Plus it saves him for later so we just see Maul at first....as it should be.
Mrbenja But how do we get the Jedi onto the ship? I'm not being critical, I really want to know. Heck if we can figure out a way, I may take a stab.
As bingo said, the senate votes to investigate things further, also making the senate not look so stoooooopid, the jedi go and they fly in their big red ship, then BOOM!
You cut from the ship blowing up, to the door with all the fumes recoloured to look like smoke from the ship and the jedi fly out of there with their sabers flying.
In other words:
Gunray: It's the jedi! they're on landing on the ship my lord!
Sidious: Kill them immediately
The ships lands, the turret swings, fires, the ship blows up.
Gunray gloats. Put a stationary Maul standing in the background.
The droids march up to the conference room door, now the hangar door. The door opens with the smoke billowing out.
The jedi come flying out.
Ollie : "This is where the film begins"
It sounds possibly doable... I'll have to watch it again to see if it flows though.
Mrbenja But how do we get the Jedi onto the ship? I'm not being critical, I really want to know. Heck if we can figure out a way, I may take a stab.
As bingo said, the senate votes to investigate things further, also making the senate not look so stoooooopid, the jedi go and they fly in their big red ship, then BOOM!
You cut from the ship blowing up, to the door with all the fumes recoloured to look like smoke from the ship and the jedi fly out of there with their sabers flying.
In other words:
Gunray: It's the jedi! they're landing on the ship my lord!
Sidious: Kill them immediately
The ships lands, the turret swings, fires, the ship blows up.
Gunray gloats. Put a stationary Maul standing in the background.
The droids march up to the conference room door, now the hangar door. The door opens with the smoke billowing out.
The jedi come flying out.
It would require new effects work the thing that would be very difficult would be turning the council scenes around.
Putting Dooku into the council scenes would require editing dialogue which would require clean dialogue (no sound effects or score) to play with.
Hopefully the soundboards and Christopher Lee's prolific oeuvre would provide material to build a holographic scene that could be believable.
Maybe Anakin's Jedi test could be moved to Naboo before Yoda reluctantly agrees (but you'd have to lose Qui-Gon) those bits drag like hell anyway.
If the film started on Coruscant you'd have to have the Queen's ship attacked on route to Naboo instead of escaping from it (which would be a good excuse to see the Sith Interceptor in combat).
Replacing the Theed Hanger with the Fed ship hanger or the reactor room would require new effects too.
So it's not easy but within the realms of the possibly possible.
Is anyone else of the opinion the above the clouds portion of the Coruscant reveal in AOTC is more appropriate for a first-reveal. It lingers a bit.
Just a rough Idea I had bouncing around inside my head...
At the end of tmp Palps has just been elected. Yoda, Dooku and palpatine are in a meeting where discussion of a clone army is mentioned they then get word of the siths death from obi wan, Dooku is seen to be devastated at the news of Qui Gon's death as well.
Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?
shanerjedi said:
Is anyone else of the opinion the above the clouds portion of the Coruscant reveal in AOTC is more appropriate for a first-reveal. It lingers a bit.
Good point!
Which reminds that there is a fog layer issue in that shot.
Notice when the silver spaceship enters the clouds and before it cuts to the next shot a cloud layer disappears causing some opacity issues.
It could be interesting if instead of coruscant the name nar shadaa was there :)
Nice to see you back shaner :)
-Angel
nar shadda would have been awesome somewhere. i wish there wasn't so much coruscant and tatooine.
i was wondering today, if somehow the jango-obiwan buisness could change location, or be cut down in such a way that they fight on coruscant. this could allow yoda to find the clones around the same time obiwan finds the droid foundrys. seeing both the armies simultaneously could be cool. (and would better explain yoda showing up with the army)
if only SSWR was here.....
It might be fun to have the Republic cruiser fitted with a bomb so when the Feds find out the investigators are Jedi they think twice about attacking them so Sidious remotely detonates the bomb blowing up the ship making them have to act which would further drive them into joining Dooku's Separatist group as he thinks the Republic is under control of a Sith Lord and the Feds have already been tricked by them.
ESB showed that making deals with Sith Lords usual ends in trouble, it would be cool to see that from the beginning.
vaderios said:
shanerjedi said:
Is anyone else of the opinion the above the clouds portion of the Coruscant reveal in AOTC is more appropriate for a first-reveal. It lingers a bit.
Good point!
Which reminds that there is a fog layer issue in that shot.
Notice when the silver spaceship enters the clouds and before it cuts to the next shot a cloud layer disappears causing some opacity issues.
It could be interesting if instead of coruscant the name nar shadaa was there :)
Nice to see you back shaner :)
-Angel
Thx Angel. Nice to be back.
I wonder if there would be a way to introduce that AOTC shot into TPM's Coruscant reveal instead. Basically take the shot up until they enter the fog. Then, cut to the Anakin reaction from TPM and the existing footage of Coruscant's cityscapes.
That way you have a little more setup time for this planet on the intro film so next time we see it we can get right into the story.
I like the idea of having Episode 1 be as simple as possible in good guy vs bad guy sense. Have one main bad guy: Darth Maul, a sith lord.
So first film: Jedi vs Sith, setting stage for a truly maverick fallen jedi in Dooku, who will lead the seperatists in AOTC.
So in the second film things can become more complex.
What if we took Sio Bibble's "the death toll is catastrophic" hologram and instead of on the Queen's ship, it is broadcast in the senate?
Then you could have existing cutaways of Amidala, Palps, Valorum, etc.
This would lead to the "vote now" cries in the senate. Vote for a jedi "investigation" or forcing of a settlement.
It passes. The jedi leave to investigate.