skyjedi2005 said:
If he really wanted to he could make them selectable rather than burnt in. But since no one around here is Japanese what would the point be?
Agreed .Although its a preservation project i think its best to leave the subtitles out .
Id assume if Alek decides just to do raw caps and share those, then the subtitles will obviously be on the output files. However, if he decides to take on this project in full and do everything, then obviously those subs should be cropped, no questions about it
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It is his project....I'm sure whatever he decides to do, he will go for the best quality possible.
:)
I was looking at my 2000 Japan SE set....is it the only SE set to have a full 5.1 audio compliment?
No the 1997 US and japan set had 5.1 as well. Stored the traditional way they are stored on a laserdisc you need an rf out and demodulator to access the ac3 audio.
The bitrate is much lower on a 5.1 Dolby laserdisc mix than an equivalent 2 channel PCM digital audio on the disc. But the 5.1 is sort of like the bitrate on a DVD?
You would have to ask the resident know it alls not me.
But there was no dedicated stereo mix made for the 1997 film the 5.1 was just mixed down to stereo? Anyway the 5.1 sounds better.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Thanks sky.........seems I'll have to keep a look out for a demodulator then. I just use the digital out right now anyways.
On the issue of the japanese subtitles, so the capture can remain relatively raw and untouched, a subtitle stream can be created which is just a black box covering the burned in japanese subs. Should be relatively easy to create, and might satisfy both camps.
As someone trying to learn the language, since I know the movie really well, having the subs available would be great learning tool.
Aleksbmw: Will you be doing captures of 2 or 3 physical disks of each movie from the same collections (same release, but multiples of the same disks for each movie), like they were with the X0 Project, so that any detail not captured (or not available) on one disk will be captured from the other same disk/s and then combined to create the highest level of picture detail possible?
They used some software called black magic, I think, to do this with the X0 Project. Not sure if there is another program that can do the same thing. Someone here might know.
The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.
I think Black Magic was something else entirely, and that's what caused the project to grind to a halt (the member who had Black Magic disappeared, or something, I think).
What you're talking about is basically taking 3 different captures of the same source, then lining them up together and running them through a program that removes things that are different between each capture. This reduces problems caused by capturing an analog medium.
I believe this can be done in AviSynth.
Again, I'm not too knowledgeable about the whole filtering thing, so I'm not really sure if anything I just said is accurate.
Wasn't that Citizen's Modus Operandi?
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ChainsawAsh said:
What you're talking about is basically taking 3 different captures of the same source, then lining them up together and running them through a program that removes things that are different between each capture. This reduces problems caused by capturing an analog medium.
I believe this can be done in AviSynth.
a sample of Toot filter in action can be found here: http://img469.imageshack.us/i/tootsampleannotated3bg.jpg/
This could be implemented if the US version, the Jap version and the Gout could be lined up. Too bad it will be much harder to get the old version (Pre DC) together because of a problem with the Jsc master where Us discs got a shrinking aspect ratio at the end of the movies.
However i will try to do several runs of capturing the Japan made Jsc (to average out any lost detail) before starting the post processing on the DC Since some have asked for the raw capture of that to work on it.
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Ya know, I was watching my 2000 Japan SE set today and it looks great on my DVL-90 with NO V-DNR selected. It looked nicer than the Silver/Black Japan SE Vader LD set.
@ alek,
I am just happy to know we will eventually get a quality capture of the DC for all to enjoy.
Cheers!!!!
Sounds great. :) The only possible problem is that this then requires having multiple copies of the same sets of disks. But if they can be gotten, that will be really cool, since any detail missing from one disk (either due to natural slight variations when making an analog disk, or due to any minuscule deterioration of a particular disk) will likely be captured on one or both of the other 2 disks. :)
The Star Wars trilogy. There can be only one.
Aleksbmw are you close to completing all the mods on your player ?
alphabetty spaghetti said:
Aleksbmw are you close to completing all the mods on your player ?
Yes, its all down to money now tho to wrap it up. Too bad i recently went to the dentist and had to pay up close to 1000$. Maybe i should travel to India next time :)
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Aleksbmw said:
alphabetty spaghetti said:
Aleksbmw are you close to completing all the mods on your player ?
Yes, its all down to money now tho to wrap it up. Too bad i recently went to the dentist and had to pay up close to 1000$. Maybe i should travel to India next time :)
1000$ did you buy a complete set of new teeth ? lol. How much will it cost to finish the player ?
Aleks im very interesred in your LD player , is everything crammed into the old laserdisc shell or is everything in seperates now ? . Can i see some pics of everything ?. Good luck with this, i think its an amazing thing your doing to this ld player . How do you know so much about laserdisc , did you work with them before ?
alphabetty spaghetti said:
Aleks im very interesred in your LD player , is everything crammed into the old laserdisc shell or is everything in seperates now ? . Can i see some pics of everything ?. Good luck with this, i think its an amazing thing your doing to this ld player . How do you know so much about laserdisc , did you work with them before ?
I got some more parts on the way so pictures will come. To answer a little of your question; After disassembling many players (mostly Panasonic and Denon before i got the Sony Japan players, C2ex and Mdp 999) and reading tech on Laserdisc i know abit more now.
Im trying to focus on one thing at a time. For a few days now i have been looking at capture cards, Ati was interesting because of their 12bit Adc's (analog to digital converters) But real performance is what counts.
Ati was never full into video capturing gear, Pinnacle however has for a long time. I have found a PCTV Rave (on the way here) with the Fusion 878 chipset, it is based on the reference design but better pcb parts (accurate crystal, more capacitors etc). Also its been seen time and time again, the source has alot to do with the end result. Here are some images from the PCTV 878 (The first is from cable (tuner), the second is Dvd input as composite.. not mine. The 3rd is post processed outdoor antenna, the 4th is an ATi card with the same chip (!):
http://www.aussievideosearch.com/images/resize/Huff-768-768.jpg
http://richardberg.net/bin/vidcap/archive/DVD%20-%20composite%20-%20Pinnacle%20PCTV%20Pro%20[BT878]%20(Alan,%20UK)%20-%204.jpg
http://richardberg.net/bin/vidcap/archive/postprocessed/Outdoor%20antenna%20-%20Pinnacle%20PCTV%20Rave%20(Narler,%20AUS)%20-%201.jpg
http://richardberg.net/bin/vidcap/archive/Analog%20Cable%20-%20ATI%20TV%20Wonder%20VE%20[BT878]%20(Djinn,%20USA)%20-%206.jpg
One of the board members has offered to lend me his PDI Deluxe european version (Sweetspot) to see if we can spot any differences. Because truth be told when i spent so much time and money on the gear i dont want to get second rate results when the analog video is turned digital.
Im pleased to say that the Runco is going to be the most modified 3D comb filter Video processors ever :) Reclocked 3D y/c board, its own 3.3v supply etc etc, i will post pictures when its done. Then its on to make the last mods on the player before capturing.
Laserdisc for life, Denon LA3500, Sony C2ex/+\Mdp999 “Hercules”
if you want to contribute: http://paypal.me/LDRevive
skyjedi2005 said:
No the 1997 US and japan set had 5.1 as well. Stored the traditional way they are stored on a laserdisc you need an rf out and demodulator to access the ac3 audio.
The bitrate is much lower on a 5.1 Dolby laserdisc mix than an equivalent 2 channel PCM digital audio on the disc. But the 5.1 is sort of like the bitrate on a DVD?
You would have to ask the resident know it alls not me.
But there was no dedicated stereo mix made for the 1997 film the 5.1 was just mixed down to stereo? Anyway the 5.1 sounds better.
Stupid demodulators! The 5.1 on LD is near DVD quality-384 kbp/s versus 448 kbp/s. DTS LD is double DVD quality.
Always thought the stereo was a downmix, but it is Dolby surround at least. It's exactly the same, and the 5.1 does sound better.
This project sounds awesome. Long live LD.
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Aleksbmw said:
Im pleased to say that the Runco is going to be the most modified 3D comb filter Video processors ever :) Reclocked 3D y/c board, its own 3.3v supply etc etc, i will post pictures when its done. Then its on to make the last mods on the player before capturing.
I cant wait to see the final results .
Any updates on this or screen shots yet ?, how soon do you think until you will have finshed capturing the laserdiscs ?
alphabetty spaghetti said:
Any updates on this or screen shots yet ?, how soon do you think until you will have finshed capturing the laserdiscs ?
With what work he says he's doing I'd say it would be awhile yet before we see any capture work but since I'm not Aleksbmw, my opinion is just that, opinion.
I guess it comes down to quoting Mr. Incredible on this one..... "we'll get there when we get there".
;)
Jetrell Fo said:
alphabetty spaghetti said:
Any updates on this or screen shots yet ?, how soon do you think until you will have finshed capturing the laserdiscs ?
With what work he says he's doing I'd say it would be awhile yet before we see any capture work but since I'm not Aleksbmw, my opinion is just that, opinion.
so who asked you anyway ?
Aleksbmw said:
a sample of Toot filter in action can be found here: http://img469.imageshack.us/i/tootsampleannotated3bg.jpg/
This could be implemented if the US version, the Jap version and the Gout could be lined up. Too bad it will be much harder to get the old version (Pre DC) together because of a problem with the Jsc master where Us discs got a shrinking aspect ratio at the end of the movies.
However i will try to do several runs of capturing the Japan made Jsc (to average out any lost detail) before starting the post processing on the DC Since some have asked for the raw capture of that to work on it.
This is really exciting to me. This is exactly what the X0 Project was doing and the results were fabulous.
Chainsaw Ash: The X0 used a process called "Blackmagic", but it is different from the software of the same name, as far as I can tell. Basically, Laserman had professional hardware and then wrote a custom script to run through Shake compositing software to run multiple passes. From the one example posted, it appeared to be the Japanese Special Collection cleaned up with passes from other captures, possibly multiples of the same set and possibly with his further cleanup. Laserman was terminally ill at the time, and on the estimates of his doctors only had a few years to live. He was in and out of the hospital all the time, so he would disappear for like 4 months and then come back to announce he was still with us, but he wasn't exactly in a state of be working on this. No one has heard from him in about 4 years, so it is my belief that he has sadly been dead for a long time now...
I certainly hope Laserman is in a better place no matter where he is.
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