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schorman13 said:
Not everyone has the pal source to start with though.
Unlike the ntsc source?
Unlike the ntsc source?
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Unlike the ntsc source?
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Well I do have the source, and if this is what is going to be used it will be used for the V3 Jedi, and it will be NTSC when finished.
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DarthBo said:
schorman13 said:
Not everyone has the pal source to start with though.
Unlike the ntsc source?
LOL! What DarthBo said.
Either way, dark_jedi will make sure an NTSC version reaches people. It seems that many don't encode for themselves anyway.
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I'm going to try to encode on my own as I don't really like burned in subs. I'll at least do those scenes.
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DJ,
would you post a screenshot of your v3 ANH that shows what the subtitles look like?
thanks,
-G
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g-force said:
DJ,
would you post a screenshot of your v3 ANH that shows what the subtitles look like?
thanks,
-G
Sure, did you get the sample and will it help? the one I sent in your PM.
here is the sub pic.
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Have you considered blurring the subtitles, very slightly? I'd go so far as to say it would be mandatory for viewing on a CRT, to eliminate interlace flicker, but even on a flat TV it mgiht stop it looking quite so "stamped on".
DE
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How do you slightly blur a subtitle?
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Squint?
:p
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dark_jedi wrote:
How do you slightly blur a subtitle?
Some programs will allow you to modify the opacity. 90-95% will make the white a little less severe.
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none said:
dark_jedi wrote:
How do you slightly blur a subtitle?
Some programs will allow you to modify the opacity. 90-95% will make the white a little less severe.
Is there evidence the original text had an opacity?
Don't forget that screenshot may very well be from the script, not the encoding. Mpeg encoding will soften things slightly.
Dr. M
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The screen is from the lossless avi file, no encoding done yet.
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dark_jedi said:
Sure, did you get the sample and will it help? the one I sent in your PM.
here is the sub pic.
I realized I had on old sample of the PAL that I think I got from OldSchoolJedi. Anyway, the script is complete, but here's my problem:
My vision is to have the subs hard-coded, but in the black bars. This accomplishes two things.
1. if anyone wants to use the encodes for their own projects, they can just wipe the subs if they want to.
2. since the subs are not an original element, keeping them in the black bars doesn't present them as something they are not.
So here's my dilemma. If I release the script now, Dark Jedi will change the subs, and no one will ever see my version. If I have to wait until I obtain a copy of the PAL, the release will be delayed even longer. I guess if Dark Jedi agreed to use the script "as is" then there would be no more problems.
What does everyone think?
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Well I am going to use msycamores theatrical subs, and aren't you releasing your encodes as well to everyone, I see SW is out and heard ESB is coming from you, mine are just alternatives, so I do not understand your dilemma at all, your script will be posted by you in this thread just like the others right, well no one is making people download mine, so what do you mean no one will see yours, I am really confused by your statement.
So just out of curiosity did you get upset when I changed them in SW? because I surely did not like my yellow subs anymore and the white ones down in the black border kind of suck to, because that is not how it was shown in the Theater and I thought that is what we are trying to accomplish here, but I could be wrong, I have been known for that at times.
also 1 more thing, just so you know the subs are not the only difference here, I am also adding all the available sound mixes for all titles, and a bonus on the ESB DVD, and this set(The V3) will be DVD9's yours are DVD5's.
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g-force said:
dark_jedi said:
Sure, did you get the sample and will it help? the one I sent in your PM.
here is the sub pic.
I realized I had on old sample of the PAL that I think I got from OldSchoolJedi. Anyway, the script is complete, but here's my problem:
My vision is to have the subs hard-coded, but in the black bars. This accomplishes two things.
1. if anyone wants to use the encodes for their own projects, they can just wipe the subs if they want to.
2. since the subs are not an original element, keeping them in the black bars doesn't present them as something they are not.
So here's my dilemma. If I release the script now, Dark Jedi will change the subs, and no one will ever see my version. If I have to wait until I obtain a copy of the PAL, the release will be delayed even longer. I guess if Dark Jedi agreed to use the script "as is" then there would be no more problems.
What does everyone think?
-G
I disagree. There will be people that will encode using your script. In fact there are probably dozens of people waiting for your script to do just that...sure they'll also take a look at Dark Jedi's version but don't think for one moment that anybody here doesn't appreciate and treasure your script.
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While it's nice to argue that the subs were originally in the image area in theaters, the truth is, putting them below the picture wasn't exactly an option for them.
Until there is such thing as a 2.35:1 television, I personally prefer subs in the black borders than overlaying (and obscuring) the picture.
Heck, forced soft subs is even more preferable since it saves bitrate for compression and you don't have to worry about artifacts from the text's edges.
That's just my preference, but everyone is different. It's just one of those things that I don't feel strongly about preserving from the theater. It's just subtitles FCOL.
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Doctor M said: It's just one of those things that I don't feel strongly about preserving from the theater. It's just subtitles FCOL.
I agree with this, and I do not care much what the subtitles look like. Nonetheless, some people with Constant Image Height Projectors might want them in the picture. (There are actually 21:9 televisions, but they are far from common.)
G-Force, did you adjust the scripts to avoid horizontal resizing after all? I think this would be highly desirable.
Moreover, surely someone who wants use these in their own projects will apply the scripts to the original GOUT DVDs not an encode.
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g-force please understand. For those of us who have 5 year old shitty computers it makes more sense to grab completed projects from the usual places....but I have your previous scripts and one day, when I have the hardware to handle this I will encode my own GOUT disks....without you, that would of never been possible for me. Thank you for being the guy that figured out how to do all of what you do to improve the GOUT...one day I will have the satisfaction of authoring my own GOUT using your scripts.
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All good points guys! I will release it soon, but as I was looking through some old posts to determine who sent me the PAL clips that I have (It WAS OSJ BTW), I remembered some issues he had running an older script with a PAL source. Shouldn't be an issue with the new MVTools, but I want to add the (easy) fix just to be sure, and it will be ready to go.
I hope a better release comes along so you guys don't have a reason to be running this thing in 5 years!
-G
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I also sent you the first 10 minutes of the PAL GOUT Jedi also, but no matter, if you need some help with this let me know if not cool.
So am I to believe that the Jedi script will be the normal cleanup and PAL to NTSC as well?
Thanks
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Just so you know, d_j, don't feel that you'll have to use my subs if you don't want to, just do what pleases most people here and especially g-force, I don't want to step on his toes, he is the guy who have worked on these great scripts for a very long time, myself are not even going to watch this film, I've never been a fan of Jedi. I know, kind of strange coming from a guy working on the subs for it. ;) But I mostly made them cause you asked me to.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
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Wow to the WOW.
You guys are the bee's knees with all the hard work!
Would it be possible to toggle the subs between "in the screen" and in the black bar?
But, that would require the viewer to press the subs button every time they pop in the discs. Not ideal I suppose.
I'd have to say that if I had the choice, I would want them in the black bar. Problem is, where would the subs be located on a (perish the thought) 4:3 TV? A projector set at a different AR?
Hmmm....
Maybe just put them in the viewing area and be done with it, as it was seen in the theater. Wow, I just talked myself out of my original thought, LOL.
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I'm going to once again put forth my vote for msycamore's subs. I can't stand subtitles in letterboxing, and I can stand yellow subtitles even less.
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msycamore,
could you post your subs script? I want to compare the timing to mine.
-G
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DJ,
Thanks for the offer. I really need you to test the script. Yes, It handles the PAL to NTSC conversion. Just make sure to encode a small clip first, and watch it. Then do the whole thing.
thanks,
-G
BTW everyone, ROTJ script is on page 1.