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Post #441296

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lordhelmet77
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Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released)
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17-Sep-2010, 1:47 PM

Correct, I agree. That's what I was talking about in my post above. They showed the 77 version from a Technicolor dye print which is - considering the age - in excellent shape. Also, I am well aware of the brightness issue but I mean for the color timing of the original movie as shown upon its original release in 77, it's THE best source out there today - certainly better than the known bootleg tape where one cannot see the real color timing since the bootleg tape is a x times generation copy which suffers from noise and color bleeding also.

 

Guys, this is the real thing - a Technicolor dye print from the first generation, namely 77.

As far as I know, all later releases (including home video) are from the 85 cleaned up telecine which used a new generation transfer from the original 77 negative. But of course, when printing from the original negative, the original color timing is lost and it has to be done again for the new interpositive, of course the result is not 100% equal. So since 1985 those new transfers with the replicated color timing from the original negative have been used for home and TV releases and also as a basic source for the 1993 THX laserdisc release. So again, this recently shown Technicolor dye print is the real and best thing that's out there, of course apart from the original negatives that might be available somewhere, savely stored away at Lucasfilm.

And again guys, I am not talking about brightness so much as color timing in general. When you see the colors it looks somehow 1970ish and relatively warm - my impression.

And remember, dark jedi's definitive v3 is supposed to look like it was shown on its original release in 77. So this Techicolor dye print is THE reference.

Please also note, I am mostly refering to this section of the article:

It seems to have green in it in most shots to varying degrees, and blue in other shots, with poor consistency. You can tell it is on the print and not from the camera by the consistency and naturalness in skintones, which look far superior than any home video telecine. This is similar to the 70mm cells collection, which also was very green, and occassionally blue. In their book, The Movie Brats, from 1979, the authors refer to the Death Star as a "grey-green" world similar to the Nazis. Coincidence? Not likely. The 1977 telecine bootleg has a similar look. The balance of light, balance on the film stock, and timing of individual shots produced an environment that, even if it were actually painted pure grey (some colour photos from the set look suspiciously grey-green as well, which becomes blue under certain lighting conditions) is tinged. This should be considered a valid element of the film's original cinematography. I confirmed this by taking the 2006 DVD/1993/5LD and pumping up the saturation to the Technicolor levels and then dialing out the pink shift (which means adding green and some yellow) until skin tones looked natural as they do in the Technicolor print--the result was identical color balances. Below are examples of the blue and green tinting on the Technicolor print. You can see that the print and camera is responsible for some of it, but by the natural colour of the skin tones you can tell that it could not possible account for the entirety of the tint.