Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 31

Akwat Kbrana said:

Yeah, that would be nice. Sadly, it's already been confirmed that the theatrical cuts will not be included on this release. Go figure.

Pardon me while I split hairs.

I recall a quote from Lucas saying the original versions were not a high priority.

But I don't recall him saying that ONLY the new versions would be on the Blu-Ray set.

But I have been known to make mistakes ... from time to time.

I was going off the following quote from Lucas, with respect to the upcoming Blu Ray release:

“Releasing the originals is kind of an oxymoron because the quality of the original is not very good. You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally. It’s a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version.”

My assumption is that, since work on the new set has already commenced, and George claims not to have made a digital transfer of the original, the above-mentioned quote therefore basically amounts to an admission that the OUT will not be on the upcoming release. That's how other news sites seem to be taking it, too.

Slashfilm.com said:

Lucas said that the original trilogy films included on the Blu-Ray release will be the remastered special editions.

Movieonline.com said:

Only the 1997 special editions of the original trilogy — the one’s that added such unnecessary things as Greedo shooting first — will get the Blu-ray transfer.

Et cetera and so forth.

I think it will eventually come in an acceptable way. It won't ever be what it should, but it will finally arrive several sets down the line. Lucasfilm will put a small trivial amount aside for a basic transfer and we'll finally have a anamorphic transfer that is up to probably 2005 standards with the 93 mix.

Darth Vader said:

The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

I think another reason many are less than enthusiastic about this release is that we've been double-dipped by LFL in the past. ("That's like putting your whole mouth right in the dip. From now on, when you take a chip, just take one dip and end it.")

When I say I absolutely will not buy any Star Wars set that doesn't include the OUT, it's not just vitriol; I'm really genuinely not interested in the least to see George's "improved" versions, regardless of resolution, audio compression, or format. Even if the color timing was corrected and the audio mix was, as kenkraly2007 is fond of prognosticating, "fixed," I still couldn't care less. These aren't the movies I'm looking for.

That feeling is just intensified when I remember paying full price for the trilogy on DVD in 2004 only to shell out again two years later when the GOUT was released. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'll gladly wait until until a decent transfer of the OUT is completed before buying another Star Wars product. If that time never comes...oh well, it's not like I'm interested in any of the other cheaply-made, soulless, mass-produced Star Wars garbage coming out these days.

kenkraly2007 said:

Now assuming they are going to re-mix and fix the films audio on blu-ray which source of the audio will they use the 77 theater mix the 85 mix other SE's from 97 and 04? I've heard on other blu-ray movie titles that they try to get the best mix possable for different films that are released on BD.

We have no idea which mix they will use.  And I have no confidence that Lucasfilm will "get the best mix possable".  With each release the mix keeps getting worse, because they seem to be more interested in making changes than in restoring it.  If there were an office betting pool, I'd put my money on their using the most recent mix, and just pooping in a bunch more changes.

Akwat Kbrana said:

I think another reason many are less than enthusiastic about this release is that we've been double-dipped by LFL in the past. ("That's like putting your whole mouth right in the dip. From now on, when you take a chip, just take one dip and end it.")

When I say I absolutely will not buy any Star Wars set that doesn't include the OUT, it's not just vitriol; I'm really genuinely not interested in the least to see George's "improved" versions, regardless of resolution, audio compression, or format. Even if the color timing was corrected and the audio mix was, as kenkraly2007 is fond of prognosticating, "fixed," I still couldn't care less. These aren't the movies I'm looking for.

That feeling is just intensified when I remember paying full price for the trilogy on DVD in 2004 only to shell out again two years later when the GOUT was released. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I'll gladly wait until until a decent transfer of the OUT is completed before buying another Star Wars product. If that time never comes...oh well, it's not like I'm interested in any of the other cheaply-made, soulless, mass-produced Star Wars garbage coming out these days.

I might as well have written this post myself because it's exactly what I'm feeling.  I already own:  the '95 Faces VHS set, the '97 SE VHS set, the 2004 DVDs, a DVD transfer of the '95 Faces Laserdiscs, and the 2006 GOUT (having thrown away the 2004 discs that came with it).  I don't think I own anything else that many damned times.  I have little use for any more versions, especially considering the GOUT is the only thing I still watch, and I sure as hell am not going to free up any shelf space for anything that's not the original version.

Same here.  Whatever audio job is done for the SEs have absolutely no bearing on the real movies, and it certainly won't be enough to convince me to buy them.  I admit I would give them a small amount of kudos if they prove themselves to be actually competent for the first time in a while, though.

Yeah I also own the 95' faces versions.  And, they are the only versions of the OOT I own.  I recently donated the 97' SE VHS versions along with the rest of my VHS movies to a charity.  The 95' versions I think, were remastered and "cleaned" up as mentioned in the advertising, so I dont know why Luca$ says the originals are too damaged for cleaning up for bluray.  Sounds like more lying BS from luca$.  Lots of people were fooled into buying the OTSE DVD's. thinking that they were original versions, and I've talked with some of them.  Ive also heard that since george changed the movies, starting in 97', that he doesnt have to pay royalties to the actors due to some legal loophole he found.  Anyone know anything about this?  If its true, I wouldnt be surprised. 

kenkraly2007 said:

I can see why the audio for episode 4 back in 2004 for the dvd is so messed up because when you listen to the english track the audio is  all over the place then when you listen to the french track is pefect now when and if they do the new audio mix for blu-ray release and base it more on the french audio mix but in english in 5.1 or 7.1 then I think everyone will be happy. No or yes?

No. The original versions are what people are really after here and unless the original versions are in the bluray set then it wont really make much difference basing the new mix on the French mix might solve a few problems assuming they still have all the source files used for the French mix but there are many problems with the dialog levels in the 2004 English mix so unless they spend extra time adjusting the dialog levels it will ultimately be a waste of time.

And it probably will.