DF Shadow said:
You guys! "It's a star" "It's a galaxy" "No It's a nebula!"
It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
Radi0n said:
Aliens? Last thing I heard it had blue creatures in it, native to the planet featured in the novel.
LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS!!!
Cookie Monster said:
Radi0n said:
Aliens? Last thing I heard it had blue creatures in it, native to the planet featured in the novel.
LEAVE ME OUT OF THIS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Svm8xc1z8&feature=related
Loconut said:
And in that honor I will hereby present you all my new avatar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Svm8xc1z8&feature=related
Radi0n said:
ESB:R (Falcon-) related and strangely ever so slightly off-topic, this got me looking up some Millenium Falcon stuff, and I came across this novel called Han Solo & the Kryst.. no wait... Indiana Jones & the Lost... no.. no!
See for yourself :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Svm8xc1z8&feature=related
Yeah, I can't wait to see how many pages the RotJ Revisited Thread gets....
Dang it me, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Svm8xc1z8&feature=related
As a lifelong fan of astrophysics, and having contemplated the vastness of space quite a lot, I think it's entirely unlikely that that is a galaxy at the end of ESB. I understand that Star Wars rarely, if ever, obeys the laws of physics, so this is just for the sake of providing some insight and I think adywan is thinking along the same lines, so maybe this avoids him having to elaborate.
I've often felt that only the worst space fiction treats galaxies like countries or planets one can easily hop between. For all intents and purposes, this galaxy we live in IS the universe. Even after we achieve faster-than-light travel, we will likely never leave our galaxy. Even at 100 times the speed of light, it would take 1,000 years to cross the Milky Way. Talking about the distance between galaxies, even at 1 million times the speed of light, it would take 2 full year to get to the nearest galaxy.
It is simply unlikely, even with the most advanced technology one can dream of, even with wormholes, that lifeforms are capable of leaving their own galaxy.
asterisk8 said:
As a lifelong fan of astrophysics, and having contemplated the vastness of space quite a lot, I think it's entirely unlikely that that is a galaxy at the end of ESB. I understand that Star Wars rarely, if ever, obeys the laws of physics, so this is just for the sake of providing some insight and I think adywan is thinking along the same lines, so maybe this avoids him having to elaborate.
I've often felt that only the worst space fiction treats galaxies like countries or planets one can easily hop between. For all intents and purposes, this galaxy we live in IS the universe. Even after we achieve faster-than-light travel, we will likely never leave our galaxy. Even at 100 times the speed of light, it would take 1,000 years to cross the Milky Way. Talking about the distance between galaxies, even at 1 million times the speed of light, it would take 2 full year to get to the nearest galaxy.
It is simply unlikely, even with the most advanced technology one can dream of, even with wormholes, that lifeforms are capable of leaving their own galaxy.
Damn!!
J
asterisk8 said:
As a lifelong fan of astrophysics, and having contemplated the vastness of space quite a lot, I think it's entirely unlikely that that is a galaxy at the end of ESB. I understand that Star Wars rarely, if ever, obeys the laws of physics, so this is just for the sake of providing some insight and I think adywan is thinking along the same lines, so maybe this avoids him having to elaborate.
I've often felt that only the worst space fiction treats galaxies like countries or planets one can easily hop between. For all intents and purposes, this galaxy we live in IS the universe. Even after we achieve faster-than-light travel, we will likely never leave our galaxy. Even at 100 times the speed of light, it would take 1,000 years to cross the Milky Way. Talking about the distance between galaxies, even at 1 million times the speed of light, it would take 2 full year to get to the nearest galaxy.
It is simply unlikely, even with the most advanced technology one can dream of, even with wormholes, that lifeforms are capable of leaving their own galaxy.
In ESB Piett stated that if the Falcon had jumped to lightspeed "they'd be on the other side of the galaxy by now" mere minutes after the Falcon has disappeared from the Empire's scopes. If SW space travel is this fast then they could easily travel outside the galaxy.
However that assumes that the technology and science of SW is internally logically consistent. It is not. That's why using scientific theory to decide on a point of debate in SW is doomed to failure. This is Star Wars, not 2001 a Space Odyssey.
Note: At the speed of light. To travel any distance takes NO time at all. This is a consequence of special relativity. The universe in the direction of travel is lorentz contracted to a length of zero. Therefore you can traverse this distance in no time. Another way to look at it is that to people observing the craft from outside, time is lorentz slowed to the point at which it stops on board the ship. To those people the ship will appear to be travelling a vast distance at the speed of light. But if they could look at the pilots watch they would see that it had stopped.
So to travel 1000 light years at the speed of light. The journey for the occupants of the ship will be instantaneous (plus some time for acceleration and deceleration). For those watching from mission control it will take exactly 1000 years (plus the time to accelerate and decelerate).
So if (big if) we ever manage to develop light speed travel, mankind can explore the universe not just our local galaxy. However when they get back the earth will probably have been destroyed by the sun going nova. Time will pass at the normal rate for those left on earth.
Wow, I don't understand almost any of that... and that's what I love about SW, I don't have to give a fuck...
DarthXenu said:
Note: At the speed of light. To travel any distance takes NO time at all. This is a consequence of special relativity. The universe in the direction of travel is lorentz contracted to a length of zero. Therefore you can traverse this distance in no time. Another way to look at it is that to people observing the craft from outside, time is lorentz slowed to the point at which it stops on board the ship. To those people the ship will appear to be travelling a vast distance at the speed of light. But if they could look at the pilots watch they would see that it had stopped.
So to travel 1000 light years at the speed of light. The journey for the occupants of the ship will be instantaneous (plus some time for acceleration and deceleration). For those watching from mission control it will take exactly 1000 years (plus the time to accelerate and decelerate).
So if (big if) we ever manage to develop light speed travel, mankind can explore the universe not just our local galaxy. However when they get back the earth will probably have been destroyed by the sun going nova. Time will pass at the normal rate for those left on earth.
Yes, sorry, that's what I get for trying to explain FTL travel after a long day of work. The time would be theoretically instantaneous for those inside the ship (ignoring the fact that they would've reached infinite mass), but for everyone else, like those waving goodbye to you or waiting for you on the other side of the galaxy, it would take so long as to be pointless.
You're right that Star Wars cannot be explained with realworld physics, that it proposes a stable space outside spacetime called Hyperspace, and that this space has dimension and objects within it have mass. Hyperspace is about as real as Middle Earth, but I just thought it might help some people here if they visualized just how much distance is being traversed by characters in space sagas like this. I mean, Star Wars starts with "... in a galaxy far, far away." I think Lucas recognized that even highly-advanced civilizations weren't likely to leave their own galaxy.
asterisk8 said:
I mean, Star Wars starts with "... in a galaxy far, far away." I think Lucas recognized that even highly-advanced civilizations weren't likely to leave their own galaxy.
I think his chain of thought when writing it was more like: "OK, this is kinda like a fairy tale, so it's A long time ago in a kingdom, no wait in a... in a... a... a GALAXY, yeah a galaxy, that sounds cool, in a galaxy far far away..."
:-D
And now, back to TESB:R....
asterisk8 said:
Yes, sorry, that's what I get for trying to explain FTL travel after a long day of work. The time would be theoretically instantaneous for those inside the ship (ignoring the fact that they would've reached infinite mass), but for everyone else, like those waving goodbye to you or waiting for you on the other side of the galaxy, it would take so long as to be pointless.
You're right that Star Wars cannot be explained with realworld physics, that it proposes a stable space outside spacetime called Hyperspace, and that this space has dimension and objects within it have mass. Hyperspace is about as real as Middle Earth, but I just thought it might help some people here if they visualized just how much distance is being traversed by characters in space sagas like this. I mean, Star Wars starts with "... in a galaxy far, far away." I think Lucas recognized that even highly-advanced civilizations weren't likely to leave their own galaxy.
Actually in the travellers frame of reference they would have normal mass (they might have felt quite heavy during the acceleration stage of the journey though!). It is only the outside observers who would see them as having infinite mass. This is why the only particles known to travel at the speed of light have a rest mass of zero. Even neutrinos are now thought to have a small rest mass and I look forward to the first measurement of the time delay between the light flash and the neutrino signal from a distant supernova.
The fastest particle (with a rest mass) ever observed was a cosmic ray detected by the fly's eye experiment. It had an energy of 3*10^20 eV which is about the same as that of a bowling ball dropped from about a metre (imagine it landing on your foot) all contained in a sub-atomic particle (probably a proton). It was so close to the speed of light that it travelled 160 Million Light Years in about 15 minutes in it's frame of reference. It took rather longer in ours!
But as you say the SW universe is as fantastical as Middle Earth. I like both of them for that reason. I put wands and light sabers in the same category, though I think light sabers are cooler. I just get a bit hacked off with people trying to use science to explain things in these movies. Firstly they are just escapist fantasy and secondly they DON'T NEED FURTHER EXPLANATION. I saw ANH when I was 9 and I pretty much understood it all. Well except why Han and Luke seemed so keen on a girl. I didn't get that until a couple of years later in ESB! Incidentally, does anyone else think Leia looks hottest in ESB? I know in ROTJ that she has the slave girl outfit but there is something about her in ESB...
Harmy said:
I think his chain of thought when writing it was more like: "OK, this is kinda like a fairy tale, so it's A long time ago in a kingdom, no wait in a... in a... a... a GALAXY, yeah a galaxy, that sounds cool, in a galaxy far far away..."
So now is what is cool?
Well i kind agree with you. Especially in ANH what was cool and could be transformed from the other movies/legacies then there you go.
Apart that what they look cool in PT and they failed to do it :)
-Angel
doubleofive said:
ON TOPIC:
I'm excited that Ady's new machine is up and running. Hopefully that means work will only be limited by how fast Ady can do it, and not by him having to wait on the computer to catch up with him.
The who in the what now? :p Is this the kind of update only Facebook or Twitter people would get? I wish it were possible to have that stuff sent to my inbox. (is that possible?)
Ady mentioned on here in a post lost to crap that someone had helped him buy a new computer so he could do the rest of the edits in 1080p. He mentioned on Facebook that it's up and running, so I was trying to get him to talk about it without me just pasting his Facebook status on here.Ripplin said:
doubleofive said:
ON TOPIC:
I'm excited that Ady's new machine is up and running. Hopefully that means work will only be limited by how fast Ady can do it, and not by him having to wait on the computer to catch up with him.
The who in the what now? :p Is this the kind of update only Facebook or Twitter people would get? I wish it were possible to have that stuff sent to my inbox. (is that possible?)
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JediTray said:
See, the way that works is you either quote an off-topic post or you post it immediately after an off-topic quote.
Ripplin's post was on-topic.
Or, you can simply post a picture like that because the thread has:
1. Derailed.
2. Become a train wreck.
OK I have an on topic question for Ady.
Sorry if this has been covered before but I am interested in the process you are using to do this revisit. I understand you are redoing the asteroid canyon and are building a canyon so that you can refilm it. Presumably you aren't going to redo the TIE fighters, but what exactly is involved? I guess it is along these lines:
1: Use photoshop (or similar) to isolate the existing TIE fighters, falcon and explosions from the background.
2: Shoot footage of the new canyon and paste it into the background of the isolated spaceships.
3: Do some photoshop magic to make it all seamless.
I am sure that that alone is a huge job but is that more or less the right idea or are there some extra steps involved?
Secondly, what is wrong with the existing canyon shot? I can't see anything myself but I have not studied it in the detail that you have.
The biggest problems I noticed with the canyon sequence are the cheaply cartoonish animated shadows and the terrible shaky see-through explosion of the colliding TIE Fighters.
Looking closely, all of the elements just kind of fall apart.
I think the plan is to build physical models of the canyon, Falcon, and TIEs, but plans may have changed in the year(s) since then.
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Do those images just look bad when looked at frame by frame? I seem to remember that the existing scene looked great when I last saw it.
Mind you my telly is an old PAL widescreen CRT. Maybe if I viewed it in HD I would see what you are all seeing. I will have to get a better TV in time for the release.
DarthXenu said:
1: Use photoshop (or similar) to isolate the existing TIE fighters, falcon and explosions from the background.
2: Shoot footage of the new canyon and paste it into the background of the isolated spaceships.
3: Do some photoshop magic to make it all seamless.
Hahaha!
Photoshop all that?
Maybe im driving crraaazy! People losing theirrr minnnds!!!!
005 said:
I think the plan is to build physical models of the canyon, Falcon, and TIEs, but plans may have changed in the year(s) since then.
What i can assume along these lines 005? :) Ady will not build a canyon model because he found an other suitable footage to play with? Or he will do some 3d camera tracking like he did in Bespin gantry to make this happened? Since he added 3d transports he can do nicely with 3d TIEs. These are only speculations ofc..
-Angel
I didn't think Ady was using photoshop. I was assuming there was an equivalent of photoshop but for moving images but that the basic image editing principles were the same.
DarthXenu said:
I didn't think Ady was using photoshop. I was assuming there was an equivalent of photoshop but for moving images but that the basic image editing principles were the same.
Well, AE is pretty much a moving photoshop, but it takes a lot more work than a simple photoshop comp.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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