Oh, Harmy, just had a thought - you should use msycamore's recreated theatrical subtitles for this. That would make it absolutely perfect!
(I also second this suggestion to Adywan for when he does his ANH restoration.)
Sorry, but that will not be possible, the source has hardcoded yellow subs :-(
But still, could I have a link to where to find the subs?
OK, a question, guys: How was the Classic Edition (and the other similar restorations)? I'm just asking whether this hasn't already been done, because honestly, for my personal watching I'll probably be sticking to the PDE until a true full HD version of OOT comes out, so if you guys can already get this in DVD quality elsewhere, there's no point doing it. There's no way I'm doing this in HD, which would make it worthwhile compared to other edits, but there's just too much GOUT and the KGAR is actually pretty bad too.
In other words, having seen the PDE (I'm keeping most of the changes the way they are there) and the samples I posted, do you feel confident this could be better than the edits released so far?
Concerning the ending celebration, I'd be using only GOUT there, as the SE celebration was heavily recut and while it was possible to get close to the original in the PDE using the SE footage it is not possible to do an exact reconstruction because while most of the original shots are there, many of them are missing several frames. But I think that the clebration in Jedi is a prime example of where the GOUT actually looks pretty good; (I guess it depends on the reel they scanned from but I don't know) It has quite a lot of grain but it's also got a lot of fine detail and has a very film like look to it IMO.
Harmy , when do you think this reconstruction will be completed ?.
Dunno, I'm experimenting with some shots now. It may be done in a week or two but I can't promise anything.
I never saw the Classic Edition of Return of the Jedi. But I think the consensus (of version 1, at least) was that it was less than satisfying.
I did see a few clips from the sarlacc battle. The judder there was bad, especially when one half of the screen was from the DVD, and the other was from a laserdisc capture. Once again, I don't think OCPmovie did any color correction or saber fixing.
In short, I'd say there's definitely a need for your ROTJ reconstruction, just like there was one for ESB.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
- Yes, there is definitely a need for this. Based on the clips you've posted alone, this will be miles and miles better than the Classic Edition, which felt cobbled(!) together and amateurish.
- What source do you have that has burned-in yellow subs? Honestly, that sounds atrocious. Here is a link to msycamore's thread about subtitles.
ChainsawAsh is right. There is definitely a need for this.
Forget about HD though. It is just not possible to make true HD theatrical reconstructions with the currently available material.
I will be happy having a reconstruction of ROTJ that is practically identical to the theatrical cut, in good DVD quality, to go along with Adywan's reconstruction. The remaining SE changes that were in Ady's ESB did not bother me because it is the crude and obvious alterations that bother me about the Special Editions, not the little fixes.
Honestly, the only change left in Ady's ESB that did bother me was the "fix" to Han's shirt in the "I love you"/"I know" exchange. It wasn't a necessary "fix," damn it, George!
Harmy, i agree with the two gentlemen before me , there most definitley is a need for this reconstruction.
Thanks, guys, I'll keep myself busy then :-)
I tried to do something about the added Boba Fett flirting with dancers shots, other than just splicing in GOUT because the GOUT quality is quite bad in these shots but it looks like I'll have to do it that way because no blending seems possible to pull off convincingly as the quality difference is sadly huge.
I removed one of these shots in the PDE but there I used a reversed shot of Chewie from later in the scene to substitute for the Boba shot but that is something I can't pull in a reconstruction so even though it will be quite a big quality jump I'll have to use GOUT for both of these shots.
About the subs: The source is an HDTV broadcast. Here's a sample of what the subs look like:
The font in that thread is commercial so I'm definitely not using that. I'm most inclined to just leaving the subs as they are...
I don't see anything wrong with those, although I'm not a font-o-phile.
I agree with Frink. The burnt in subs look fine.
Thanks guys, that's what I wanted to hear :-D
I highly disagree. I think they're ugly and too low in the frame.
My suggestion would be to use the subtitle-free 2004 DVDs for the shots with subtitles, and use msycamore's script once the video is completely done to add the proper theatrical subtitles back in.
(If necessary, I'm sure msycamore wouldn't mind adding them in himself if you got the video to him. Then again, I'm speaking on his behalf when I have no right to.)
And don't be afraid to cut in full GOUT shots when necessary. It may not look the best, but there's not much else you can do. Just try to get the GOUT shots looking as nice as you can get them to look.
Yeah, I thought of using the 2004 DVD video for the subs, although it would mean a 4th different source to be dealing with. But to use the script you've still gotta have the font in your computer and also adding the subs in AVISYNTH would mean reencodig the whole video again and I don't think that is a good idea. I can't get them right myself without buying the font (and believe me, I tried.) If someone could make a PSD photoshop file with the subs in it (ideally already with the shadow and positioned and stretched for 720x576 anamorphic video) I could try adding them in After Effects, which would also be good for trying to match the grain and feather on them.
Which font is it? The editing suite computers at school here are chock full of fonts specifically for titles and subtitles, and I'm sure it's there. I could ... ah ... "procure" it for you for free if you like.
Well, I'd prefer someone making the PSD because I don't much like playing with text in photoshop but if I had the font, I'd give it a shot but you "procuring" it for me WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR GOD'S SAKE and you have a PM ;-)
Your PM has been responded to.
Nothing illegal happening here, move along folks ...
Harmy said:
WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR GOD'S SAKE
LOL, Isn't editing copyrighted video and releasing it to everyone illegal? To funny!
dark_jedi said:
Harmy said:
WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR GOD'S SAKE
LOL, Isn't editing copyrighted video and releasing it to everyone illegal? To funny!
Wow, wow, wow, hold yer horses, who said anything about releasing, in my threads I usually instruct people to PM if they are interested in the edits but as far as the thread is concerned my reply to these PMs can well be: "Well, you can't have it, punk!" And there's nothing illegal about editing the video...
:-D :-D :-D
Oh and, Chainsawash, thanks for that little favour you've done me that time, you know, way back when...
Oh, that? I'm surprised you remember, it was so long ago.
At any rate, you're quite welcome.
Harmy said:
And there's nothing illegal about editing the video...
Maybe you have not read the FBI warning at the start of ALL movies, it says in whole or in part LOL, take a read next time, you might be surprised at what you missed.
Plus I was kidding with you and you took it serious, so now I will I guess, it just cracks me up when people say this is illegal, and that is illegal, but then go ahead and release edits and download movie torrents, etc. etc. etc. and release edited versions of their own stuff, and yes your stuff is out there to.
Later dude, have fun.