I know Warbler is ignoring me but I don't won't derail his thread so all I will say is I believe that dismissing every speculation as to alternate routes of investigation into these events as nonsense is nonsense.

The official story has enormous holes in it which haven't been filled with reliable data.

Being skeptical is not the same as being paranoid.

I don't believe in a conspiracy theory of history, more a chaotic cock-up of conflicting conspiracies theory of history myself but let's not fool ourselves that Governments and secret service agents in cahoots with powerful financial backers couldn't and wouldn't kill it own citizens on such a scale (just look at WWI).

Consecutive US Governments had built up what would later become the Taliban and replicated the mistakes of Russia and Britain before them. It's the same mistake they made with Saddam.

Foreign policy decisions by Britain and then the US have contributed to the Middle East's antagonism towards the West, especially revolving around the Crusader state of Israel (aka Hitler's last laugh) and the displaced people of Palestine.

The official story would be plausible enough if it wasn't for the conjunction of PNAC and the bizarre physics involved in the collapse of those buildings.

Our armed forces should be deployed defending our borders not interfering in the politics of other countries.

If we have signed treaties of mutual defense they should be honoured but the money wasted on empire building is much better spent at home or as aid for other nations in true poverty instead of acting like international oil pirates.