Actually I was originally thinking of the whole soundtrack restoration, not the IE DVD wich is more to me like a documentary. ;)
Hell, I don't know what to call it, but it's bloody fantastic, and is just one more example of how productive this community has been of late.
Thanks. But why the hell don't you feedback guys ? That's THE thing I don't get in the preservations forum. I'd call that: "live and let die". Of course a good philosophy in some cases, but not here.
C3PX said:
TV's Frink said:
Yes, of course he's talking about me. To which I say...
...VanDerBeek.
That attitude is really annoying, actually.
I have a long history of defending Sky, so I see no reason to stop now. I actually used to really enjoy his long rant posts, unfortunately, I haven't seen one of those for a long time. Now they are usually just paragraph long rants, and not half as much fun as his ongoing rants.
You justify giving Skyjedi a hard time and derailing his thread he because of his repetitiveness. What about all your threads which are essentially the same thing over and over and over?
Just sayin', seems to me he has as much right to his complaint threads as any of the rest of us have to our type threads. Chainsawash kept it on topic and productively told Sky that his complaints were invalid while giving plenty of reason why. If no one cared to read his threads, then they could just sink. No need to be a jerk just for kicks and laughs.
Jesus, way to throw gasoline on a fire that had pretty much burned out. Did you bother to read the rest of the thread? We already made up.
Hell, even ABC and I are getting along. Did I kick your dog recently or something?
A B C said:
Thanks. But why the hell don't you feedback guys ? That's THE thing I don't get in the preservations forum. I'd call that: "live and let die". Of course a good philosophy in some cases, but not here.
I thought I had left feedback in the IE thread? I'll go check. If I haven't, I will do now.
Imagine if there was just one angry thread voicing the disappointment of people about how the OUT is being shin kicked out of existence.
It would be thousands of posts long and would be impossible to get into.
I'm rather glad that Skyguy keeps the ball in the air with a blast now and then.
He serves a John The Baptist role on the boards.
If the petition is the call to prayer there should be at the very least one angry voice crying in the desert and the Zealots like Zombie, the monkish scribes on the preservation section, the illuminators doing the mock-ups and art work, the sun crazed heretics on the fan-edit and writing boards.
And the holy fools.
We are all a Star Wars.
Indeed Ot boards is like the rebellion against the evil empire, lol.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
ABC, I've added my thoughts to the IE thread. Sorry I hadn't done it sooner - I honestly thought I had.
Well, at any rate, it's there now.
Haha ! Thanks Chainsaw. Very much appreciated. Not only you may give someone else the will to see it, but what people don't realize is that we have all our own perception of the stuff, and what you say may come and enrich ours ("authors"), and show us this more valuable again ! :)
Exceptionnaly I'm leaving my signs in the off topic section ;)
TV's Frink said:
Jesus, way to throw gasoline on a fire that had pretty much burned out. Did you bother to read the rest of the thread? We already made up.
Hell, even ABC and I are getting along. Did I kick your dog recently or something?
I think you are taking things too personally.
I explained my feelings on the situation quite clearly. I know you and sky "made up". That is fine, I don't care, I am not part of that. I was simply saying that attitude of, "Yeah, I know he is talking about me, but I could care less", annoyed me.
I am not trying to throw fuel on any fires, I just hate to see that attitude become the norm. I don't think we should have free reign to crash other peoples threads, just because it amuses us and we think their thread is boring to start with. I am not trying to pick any fights, I think I said my piece quite calmly and peacefully. Skyjedi isn't a troll, he is a long time member here, I respect his views, and don't like seeing him put down.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
PSYCHO_DAYV said:
AND THE THREAD GOES OFF TOPIC...
:-P
*miff* lurkers*
Often these things bubble away under the surface and it takes a good explosive purge to blow away the storm clouds.
I remember many moons back getting into a bit of an altercation on the fan-edits section with a venerable and well respected contributor to these boards over what he saw as me being too uptight and serious, trying to act as a de facto moderator on a thread I started, which I was trying to keep on topic.
It turned out there was more to what he was writing than met the eye and we parted on the best of terms.
He had let these feelings simmer unarticulated for a long time when he looked again at what he thought he was upset with it was actually something completely different.
Back then it was rather upsetting to be in the firing line as I was still rather green and even more full of enthusiasm for this organ than I am now.
I've since learned that we are all passengers.
The more you try to grab at the wheel the further you come to going off the road.
The only thing you can control is yourself and if what you say rings bells with other people that's a bonus.
If it's ignored, booed or even laughed at that's life.
So you are suggesting that I may have some deeper vendetta against Fink of which I am likely unaware?
I seriously just didn't like the way he treated Sky, so I spoke up. I have behaved in much the same way for other members here as well. Most recently Warb and ABC. If someone thought I were treating someone else unfairly, I really hope they would speak up and tell me to cool it.
I have been a dick to other members myself, and really regretted it. There was one member I always really liked, we got into a disagreement, and it ended with him leaving. I really regret that and I wish someone would have called me out and told me to lay off.
I really like Fink, and even though I have recently complained about his antics, I actually appreciate them and am not out to get him.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
skyjedi2005 said:
people think i am being quite serious when in fact i am using a wry grin, cannot really see it online,lol.
If that's really your intention, try this fora "wry grin" smiley...
',;-)
Knowing when you're serious and when you're joking will make your posts a lot more tolerable.
My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.
C3PX said:
So you are suggesting that I may have some deeper vendetta against Fink of which I am likely unaware?
No I'm not suggesting that.
I certainly don't think Frink has a vendetta against anyone either.
I do think that if any of us have a problem with the levels of creativity or the tone of conversation on an internet forum the only thing of any worth any of us can do is meet what we perceive as a deficit with a steady supply of what they believe is missing.
It may take time (indeed it may never produce the results you desire) but other people may respond.
At the very least you will be an example, no matter how against the grain, of the sort of thing you want to see.
Leaving, making voices about leaving, throwing your weight around, chasing people from thread to thread making snide comments, will only serve to be an example of that behavior (I'm sure that's not the sort of forum you or the majority of us want to read either) and that may also serve as an example to others.
Bingowings said:
Leaving, making voices about leaving, throwing your weight around, chasing people from thread to thread making snide comments, will only serve to be an example of that behavior (I'm sure that's not the sort of forum you or the majority of us want to read either) and that may also serve as an example to others.
Are you saying that is what I have been doing?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
To some extent yes but to some extent it's a common practice which while in itself is relatively harmless doesn't yield the results you clearly wish to see.
If you want a more creative, thoughtful and balanced environment, posting in that manner (which you more often than not do) is much more likely to turn the tide your way than pointing out the perceived deficiencies of others.
Where I live people are always dropping litter.
The neighbours are lovely the kids well behaved, the area has a stunning landscape and an amazing variety of wildlife but it genuinely shocks me to see people just throwing mess around when there are bins a plenty.
I make no claim to being a saint but I never drop litter and the best I can do when I see some is pick it up and put it in the nearest bin when it's practical.
I don't have the time to knock on everyone's door and point out the mess and I would probably become very unpopular if I tried which may have the opposite effect to what I was attempting to do.
Recently some kids noticed me picking up some litter on the way to the shops and asked me what I was doing. I was expecting a degree of mockery but instead the children saw the value in what I was doing and picked up some themselves and they have continued to do it since.
The litter is still there mind, nothing I could do alone would ever make it go away entirely.
Bingowings said:
I do think that if any of us have a problem with the levels of creativity or the tone of conversation on an internet forum the only thing of any worth any of us can do is meet what we perceive as a deficit with a steady supply of what they believe is missing.
I agree 100%. Much people keep fighting against things that bug them, when they would make a better choice fighting for what they want. That is the good use of the "Live and let Die" philosophy.
Bingowings said:
I don't have the time to knock on everyone's door and point out the mess and I would probably become very unpopular if I tried which may have the opposite effect to what I was attempting to do.
Your analogy doesn't really fit, and that wasn't what I was doing. "Live and let die" is all well and good, I am a fan of that philosophy. The only thing I would have ever said about anything was politely asking that we tone down the pictures in the politics thread because it was bogging down my internet and becoming overwhelmingly distracting. Fink wasn't even an issue in that situation, he was great about it and took no offense.
What I did in this thread was not me telling someone I think they should behave more like me (i.e. knocking on the door and asking people to pick up liter), in this case someone was treating another forum member in a way that I felt was unjust, so I stood up. A more appropriate analogy might be me witnessing someone knocking on the door of another and telling them not to liter (make pointless redundant complaint posts) while mocking them (he can go VanDerBeek), and I run over to them and state that I find that behavior troubling.
Suggesting that I am chasing Fink around from thread to thread ragging on him makes you sound more than a little bit like crazy ol' Vaderisnohayden. If I were doing that I would be going into all those SOS threads and causing a fuss, but I am not because I really don't care about what goes on in them. But when I see a thread by Skyjedi, who I find interesting, and click on one of his threads only to find it instantaneously derailed because someone else deemed it irrelevant, that irritates me.
In the other case, someone stated their opinion on things, and since I actually agreed with them I decided to say so.
I suppose the fact that I gave my honest opinion on fan edits which turned out to offend Fink can be used as further evidence that I am out to get him and "pushing my weight around".
As for "making voices about leaving", it wasn't a threat. I was having a bad day, I came to the forum to relax and found every single thread full of shit. It got to me, and I was seriously fed up with it all and was thinking about just giving it up. I didn't leave because I realized how many posters there are here who I really care about, and decided they were worth wading knee deep in shit to continue posting with (and yes, I include Fink in this).
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
You're missing the point: the humour factor. Perhaps the one you hate, I don't know, but the one Skyjedi has and with the one he reacted long before your intervention.
(That's how I see the situation).
I'm long enough in my remaining teeth to have missed the VanDerBeek reference (but I looked it up and remembered the GIF).
I'm all for in thread reminders of our mutual humanity (I remember trying to deflect some of the flack off people like Fishmanlee and Janskeet, people I frequently disagree/d with and felt the need to remonstrate with).
They really only work (if they work) when they are rolled out at the moment and location that they are needed and are proportional to what has been done or said.
I was rather sharp yesterday with someone jesting about committing suicide I did it in the same thread as soon as I spotted it. Today he has said sorry and hopefully that will be the end of it.
A gentle "back off a bit" well timed and well placed has a better chance of success than on a later hour and/or in another place bring.
I really like Skyjedi and I never noticed that thread before it was pointed out to me I would probably have said something if I had.
As for the pictures thing if you had framed you initial request in practical terms it may have got a better response ('politics is mostly a wordy subject, the pictures are slowing my page loading times could you please post less...that sort of thing') .
I can't open the GIF page or doubleofive's wishlist page when someone else is using the net in the room because the pictures slow down the connection so I recognise that issue and if it had been phrased that way I would probably have been lending you gentle support (there would be no way of telling if my support would have helped but it would probably have been there).
As it is much larger pictures (sometimes too big for the site format to support) are frequently posted on the Politics thread but they go unnoticed because they are deemed 'seriously pertinent' and not 'just jokes' which are part of any political discussion indeed part of politics in practice.
Bingowings said:
As for the pictures thing if you had framed you initial request in practical terms it may have got a better response ('politics is mostly a wordy subject, the pictures are slowing my page loading times could you please post less...that sort of thing').
You are very right. I don't know what was wrong with me, I was clearly out of line when I said:
C3PX said:
Okay, so seriously, all this spam is getting pretty old. Makes it a pain to just browse the thread and read posts. Since EVERY SINGLE other off-topic thread has become a spam feast, could we maybe consider toning it down a little?
So, sounds like I did everything just right except for failing to specify that one of the reasons it was making the thread a pain to browse was the bog down it was causing?
if it had been phrased that way I would probably have been lending you gentle support (there would be no way of telling if my support would have helped but it would probably have been there).
Well, considering YOU (not Fink or anyone else) were the one who decided to be an ass about it and give me and the others asking for the tone down a hard time, I'd say there is most definitely a way of telling it would have helped. Would have helped so much, in fact, that there wouldn't have even been an issue at all.
As it is much larger pictures (sometimes too big for the site format to support) are frequently posted on the Politics thread but they go unnoticed because they are deemed 'seriously pertinent' and not 'just jokes' which are part of any political discussion indeed part of politics in practice.
The "larger pictures frequently posted in the Politics thread that go unnoticed" are not typically a problem for my internet connection, because they are not every other post like the ice cream picture fiasco, and usually I am on a faster connection than I was on that day.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Damn guys ! This thread is turning into a political discution on a diplomatic incident.
Yes you were wrong because by labeling it spam (even if that's how you saw it) instantly put people who may have been able and willing to moderate their behaviour and even back you up in a contrary stance.
Politely asking people to reduce the activity and clearly explaining why without resulting to inflammatory language might have produced the results you were after.
Instead it developed to the point where you resorted to name calling and foul language which to some extent got me off the Politics thread but won't remove me from anywhere else (only a moderator will do that).
It also hasn't stopped people from posting images or wandering off topic but it has toned down.
Anyway nice to notice some new members and continued activity on the creative side of things hopefully that will lighten the general mood.
Bingowings said:
Yes you were wrong because by labeling it spam (even if that's how you saw it) instantly put people who may have been able and willing to moderate their behaviour and even back you up in a contrary stance.
Because I called it spam (which means an irrelevant post, a pretty non-offensive accusation if you ask me), you felt the need to be a massive asshole? Impressive stuff Bingowings, very impressive. I didn't resort to name calling, I said you were being an ass, and you were.
Anyway, I'm done with this conversation, your high and mighty can do no wrong attitude is getting old. To use a Warbism, we will just have to agree to disagree.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
C3PX said:
Bingowings said:
Yes you were wrong because by labeling it spam (even if that's how you saw it) instantly put people who may have been able and willing to moderate their behaviour and even back you up in a contrary stance.
Because I called it spam (which means an irrelevant post, a pretty non-offensive accusation if you ask me), you felt the need to be a massive asshole? ...
So... Because someone appears to you as an asshole you feel the need to work on being one yourself about that ?... Is that jealousy ?
Pffff.
we will just have to agree to disagree
It was about time.
I see your point, and I eventualy could agree with you at almost 100 % but the attitude really just doesn't fit at all.
A B C said:
So... Because someone appears to you as an asshole you feel the need to work on being one yourself about that ?... Is that jealousy ?
Pffff.
You're not really helping things, ABC. No it isn't jealousy. I may very well be being an asshole, and if that is the case I am not going to pretend I am not.
Sorry if you think I am having a bad attitude about this whole thing, ABC. I am trying to stay as positive about it as possible. I would have liked to have seen everything pass by this time, but I felt a need to address some of the things Bingowings was suggesting I was doing, which I am not.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape