SW Episode III - Reign of the Dark Side (* unfinished project *) — Page 30

I never noticed those were two different sabers. Oh well, the issue stands, there is nothing special about the saber.

Of course I can imagine him just picking up the saber somewhere, but wouldn't it be a little random? And him picking it up somewhere on Coruscant is in my view no different then picking it up on the lava bank.

Anyway, Bob did a good job and it's an inspired idea, but I just don't really think it works. Still looking forward to the edit though!

It makes a difference primarily because he abandons his blue saber in becoming Darth Vader. It doesn't become a tool of evil as in the original cut.

Giving "Darth Anakin" a special saber for him as a sith means the saber Luke gets is still the weapon of a good man and hasn't been used to murder children.

Obi Wan saying "your father wanted you to have this" is still a bit of a lie, but less so. i.e. he WOULD have wanted you to have this, had he not turned to the dark side. It emphasises that Anakin "died" when he renounced his saber. Luke's father is not the same person that he defeats on Mustafar.

I'm not a fan in general of changing the OT to suit the PT, but it's your edit :)

I think the fact that the ANH saber was Anakin's is significant.  It's Obi-Wan passing on the remaining good from Anakin on to the next generation of Jedi.

Maybe, when Obi-Wan leaves Padme's apartment after confronting her about Anakin's location, we could see her looking down all upset, and then on one of the shots of Obi-Wan after that, we could hear a quiet Force-swoop and see Anakin's saber float over into his robes while Padme's not looking?  That way he'll always have the saber with him, leaving it on the Mustafar landing platform when he takes off his robe for the duel and obviously getting it again after (though we don't see him pick up his robe while boarding Padme's ship, strangely enough, he has it on Tatooine).

I think at the apartment before Anakin leaves for Mustafar is the logical place for him to discard it, and therefore the logical place for Obi to obtain it. If someone could film a replica graflex saber against a 'greenscreen' surface and then a robed arm picking it up, Bob could maybe use it to show it on (and being picked up from) a table in the apartment?

Or it doesn't even have to be physically picked up (thus a static image of the prop could be used). Just a lingering shot of it on the table as they discuss Anakin (and then the baby)

I don't remember what the apartment looks like or if such a table exists though.

If I had a full sized replica of the saber, I'd happily do it myself, however I only have the .45 scaled replica.

But that's only if Bob were to decide to go that route. It's my preferred route, but it's not my decision :)

The fault is in the PT and probably unfixable Anakin's sword should have been an emblem of Luke's idealisation of his absent father.

It's no coincidence that the Vader delivers the bad news right after Luke loses the sword.

Luke discovers the truth about his father so his dream of a heroic father cut down by an evil other is as lost as the lightsaber is.

I like your idea of Vader taking up a new sword the moment he rejects his Jedi identity it makes a lot of sense.

One way around it could be that he doesn't actually have his sword with him.

He has left it behind when he rushes to the Mace/Palpatine show down.

Obi-Wan makes a big deal of him doing this sort of thing in AOTC.

So instead he uses one of the fallen Jedi's sabers to cut Mace's hand off and gets his new red one from the Emperor.

Swapping the saber grip during that swipe at Mace shouldn't be too hard (it's all work but compared to some of the other things you have done this will not be as hard...I hope).

Even if you can't get a line for Padme you might be able to find a shot of Padme looking off at the distance and becoming particularly distressed.

You could insert a shot of the forgotten saber in there not only is Padme worried that Anakin is in the burning Temple she has the added worry of him not being armed and fully able to defend himself.

Later Obi-Wan could pick it up in her room as he goes.

I wouldn't worry about the red saber having the same grip as his blue one as over time Vader may have personalised that saber or replaced it with the one we see in ANH (which isn't quite the same all the way through the OT anyway).

bobgarcia74 said:

As I was typing my reply the brash I was thinking along the same lines , rpvee.  I know a few have mentioned this, but I doubted I'd be able to pull it off.

Ill be watching the scene of Anakin talking to padme before he heads out to Mustafar. Maybe a "hold this for me until I return" shot of him handing her the saber can be worked out.

If I remember correctly, the season finale of Clone Wars season 1 had a scene between Anakin and Padme in which Anakin asks Padme to hold on to his saber, for some reason I can't remember.  Maybe there's some dialogue there that could be used?  I believe the episode is called "Hostage Crisis".

Entirely different voices I'm afraid...

Whatever route you go down Bob, I have replicas of each saber in the movie (though mostly the superior ANH versions) ;) I'd be happy to photograph them from whatever angle you wish.

Edit: Changed to higher quality pictures off the net.

Also worth noting, Master Replicas created an Episode 3 Vader Saber (even though we never see the prop)

could obiwan pick up the sabre from the temple? this could serve as an alternative discovery of 'darth vader's' identity? (as oppose to the holographic security footage.)

also, i was going to mention this before. have you considered changing the motive of obiwan's motives for going to mustafar? enstead of 'destroying the sith' obiwan could go to save his friend from damnation.

yoda's lines from this scene could be repaced with him talking about their exile, and obiwan could mention that he needs to do something first.

ben_danger said:

could obiwan pick up the sabre from the temple? this could serve as an alternative discovery of 'darth vader's' identity? (as oppose to the holographic security footage.)

also, i was going to mention this before. have you considered changing the motive of obiwan's motives for going to mustafar? enstead of 'destroying the sith' obiwan could go to save his friend from damnation.

yoda's lines from this scene could be repaced with him talking about their exile, and obiwan could mention that he needs to do something first.

1. Finding the saber would indicate nothing.  In fact, it might even make him think Anakin died, since he would have seemingly been defenseless when the Temple was invaded.

2. Changing Obi-Wan's motives somehow would be wonderful (and back up Vader's "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" in ROTJ, I just don't know how it would be possible due to a lack of lines.

But hey, maybe Bob could pull it off.  I just don't want him getting stressed over this, we've already discussed so much!

im a newbie - just wanna say hello and keep up the good work...you fan editors are amazing...i have lots of ideas about how the prequels should have been (my preference of course) but just dont have the technical skill to make a fanedit myself...and with a family and work i dont have the time to learn. I almost blanked out the whole prequel from my mind when i found this site and it got me thinking that dedicated fans can really make a change to these movies so well done to all who contribute. I always wished the ROTS got a bit more retro looking and more of the feel of ANH- a bit more 70's styling, haircuts etc and maybe a few models would have been used when making the film instead of the copious amounts of CGI.

. I love the idea of the red light sabre and some where back in the topic someone suggested the igniting of the blue sabre before anakin somersaulted onto the bank when obi wan cut his legs..It seems like a good time for Obi wan to pick up the blu sabre for Luke.

Has anyone seen the Stankpac ediT of ROTS? -its the best so far IMO..The last 20 mins kept me captivated - no Sidious - yoda fight was a fantastic.idea...no twins birth was even better just the medical droid saying the babies needed to be saved..No Vader saying NOOOO....god i wanted to put a blade to the cinema screen when i first saw that.

As much as Stankpacs was great i would still have changed some aspects if it were my own. Corgicars edit had some good ideas - so maybe mixing corgicars beginning with Stankpacs end with some new ideas would be amazing....How do people feel about the film ending at the birth of Vader. I always thought that it would have been more fitting - a bit of a darker finish like ESB. I would have arranged the scenes so

1. Organa tell Antilles(?) to shut down the droids before the birth of the twins

2. the medical droid lets obi wan know that the babies need to be saved.

3Yoda - Obi Wan- Organa discuss what to do with the twins

4.Organa  take Leia to his wife.

5 obi wan takes Luke to Owen and Beru

6. Then we have the birth of vader....THE END.

i know it will be hard to mix the soundtrack as Owen and Beru stare into the sunset with the birth of vader...but maybe the first breathes could be mixed in somehow...so it s the last sounds we hear

Sorry im intruding on your guys but i thought this is a place where i could vent some prequel frustrations that have bugged me for years...like i say i almost forgot about the prequels all together until i found out by chance this wonderful site and the great people that just might make something of these movies.

one more thing - is the grevious fight at the beginning necessary...cant we just have the killing of Dookoo and kept the grevious fight for Obi wan later in the film....just a thought

thanks for listening

I made that error too (prompting me to check it out last night).

bobgarcia74 said:

Understandable brash. Thanks for your input.

I do plan on doing all 6 movies to have them flow better as a total story. That will mean making changes to the OT. Maybe not anything groundbreaking. But changes.

And as always, this is not set in stone right now. My mind goes all over the place. Tomorrow I might think of a good way to lock down a idea to have Obi wind up with Anakin's saber before this movie ends. Then nothing needs to change from the OT. 8)

I'm just trying to bounce around the idea ball.

Why have to had Star Wars a double trilogy? If I had a good computer with video-editor software, I would make a single movie from ep1 and ep2. A movie is in 3 act, or 8 sequences, just do episode 1 a firs act, or one or two sequences, then jump in the timeline to the 18 year old Anakin. Maybe just do flashbacks from his childhood, from ep1. Many movies done this before. The existing material is not in the condition to make betterer. For example you can cut out Jar jar, but the film won't have more deeper story.

Sorry for my bad english. :)

Cheers

bobgarcia74 said:

That's not bad. I guess I could live with that. But I have to save I'm very partial to my idea of Anakin using 2 sabers when he tries to jump over Obi-Wan, with Obi Wan then retrieving the blue one. What did you think of that idea? Do you think it's technically possible?

 

Well Erik, I think it would be possible without too much effort. I also think it's a great idea. With that said. The only reason I'm shying away from it is that it would happen very very quick in my version of the cut, as I taken all talking out of that scene untill after Anakin get sliced.

This is my version of the final duel that I've had on youtube for awhile now. The section we're taking about happens right at 4:25 into the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiUVga0Cqk0

As you can see the amount of time that we see Anakin before he leaps is about 3 seconds. It's also a very bad angle to show him lighting up his blue saber. I'll review any footage that I've taken out of the part. But I'm pretty much sure any shots of Anakin at that point would have him speaking. Which I dont want.

Also if I was to go this route and make it look good, then I would expect a wave of people chiming in with. "If Anakin had 2 sabers on him, why didnt he use them both earlier in the fight?"

I'll still take a stab at this , and I'll post the results when I do.

**update** ok just looked over the footage taken out, there's a good shot in which to light up a second saber, but this shot also only lasts for about 3 seconds. I'll try it with this shot and see what it looks like. I might not get to it tonight tho

I had forgotten how amazing this looked. Wow.

is it possible to make padme actually look full term...or carrying twins?

Heh, that's something that pisses off my wife every time.

"There's no way she's pregnant.  Stupid men..."