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Pandora (Avatar fanedit) - V2 HD & SD releases coming soon (Released)

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Avatar was one of those movies that I despised when I first saw it in the theater, but has started to warm up to me on DVD (kinda the same thing as the Star Wars Prequels, which is an apt comparison since these movies have a lot of the same flaws…). It is not the epic masterpiece that various audiences and critics (and James “I deserve the Director Oscar!” Cameron) proclaim it to be, but I felt that if I could edit the film down and remove some of the more offending elements that I hated, then I’d be better able to enjoy watching this 21st century take on the Hero’s Journey.

FanEdit Information
Type of Fanedit: True Fanedit
Intention With This Edit: To remove the subplot of Jake acting as a traitor to the Na’vi from the plot of Avatar, along with numerous other cuts, trims, and edits to improve the film.
Original Title: Avatar
New Title: Pandora
Original Runtime: 162 minutes (2 hours, 42 minutes)
New Runtime: 145 minutes (2 hours, 25 minutes)
Time Cut: 16-17 minutes
Software Used: Sony Vegas 7 (video editing), Adobe Photoshop CS2 (image editing), Adobe After Effects 6.5 (compositing), Cinema Craft Encoder 2 (rendering), Sony DVD Architect 4.5 (DVD authoring), AutoGK (AVI rendering)

AVI Release Information

  • Resolution: 720x416
  • Audio format: 5.1 Dolby Surround
  • Language: English

Major and Minor Edits:

- Complete Removal of the subplot of Jake acting as a spy for the military behind the scientists and Na’vi & the Na’vi rejecting Jake after his reveal as a spy.
This was my biggest point of contention in the story - I hated and I mean absolutely HATED the subplot of Jake acting as a spy/double agent to both the scientists and Na’vi. It serves no purpose other than creating forced and false drama for the characters (it was this element of the movie that reminded me the most of Fox’s abysmal animated garbage, Ferngully: The Last Rainforest…) and giving a contrived reason for the Na’vi and Neytiri to reject Jake. What shocked me is just how easily this subplot can be completely removed from the film and with just a bit of editing, there’s no affect from it left on the main characters.

  • Cut down on some of Jake’s monologue in the film’s opening
  • Cut the company men telling Jake that he’ll “get very good pay”
  • Cut the “fresh meat” and “dinner on wheels” jokes by the marines
  • Cut Quaritch’s “You’re not in Kansas anymore” line
  • Cut Quaritch’s lines after he says “Pandora rules” and Jake’s monologue to the Colonel
  • Cut Norm telling Jake “This is your Avatar now”
  • Cut Jake trying to be “science smart” for the camera in his first video diary
  • Cut Norm introducing Grace by name to the audience offscreen
  • Cut Max telling Jake when to meet for Avatar training and to use “big words” in front of Grace
  • Cut Grace’s “Oops” when she kicks the cup out of the way of Selfridge’s golf ball
  • Removed all references of the name “Unobtainium” from the film
  • Cut Jake poking at the spongy lining of the linkup capsule
  • Cut Norm telling Jake “They’re gonna put you out”
  • Cut the insert “close-up” shot of human Jake’s face reacting to Avatar Jake running in the garden
  • Recuts to Jake’s meeting with Quaritch, making him mostly silent as Quaritch explains his need for someone to inform him on the Na’vi
  • Cut the grunt’s response to Grace after they land in the forrest
  • Cut Grace telling Jake to stand his ground to the Hammerhead
  • Cut the majority of Jake’s taunts toward the Hammerhead
  • Retinted the scenes of Jake wandering through the forrest and Neytiri watching him in hiding
  • Cut the scene of Grace, Norm, and Trudy searching for Jake before they have to return to the Compound
  • Cut Neytiri telling Jake for the second time that he’s “like a baby”
  • Shorten some of the “long pauses” shots between Neytiri and Tsu’tey after the Na’vi capture Jake
  • Cut Jake saying he’s from the “Jarhead Clan”
  • Cut the “Clan supper” sequence which introduces Jake in his native clothing and looking like an incompetent ass to the Na’vi
  • Cut Jake meeting with Quaritch and Selfridge and getting his assignments for gathering intelligence on the Na’vi
  • Cut Jake taunting Norm by saying “Guess who has a date with the Chief’s daughter”
  • Cut the insert “Jake’s reaction” shot from the scene of Tsu’tey riding up and telling him to go away
  • Cut Jake passing on intel on Na’vi and Hometree to Quaritch and Selfridge
  • Cut the line “She knew I was talking with the Colonel” from Jake’s monologue
  • Little cuts throughout the “Neytiri trains Jake” montage
  • Cut Jake refering to Neytiri’s beliefs as “Treehugger crap”
  • Little trim to the shots of the Banshee attacking Jake, to removing visual inconsistencies
  • Cut Tsu’tey laughing at Jake nearly falling off the cliff
  • Cut Jake and Neytiri laughing outloud after they escape Toruk
  • Cut Jake’s remeeting Colonel Quaritch before his Na’vi initiation ceremony
  • Cut Jake’s internal monologue after he and Neytiri mate
  • Cut Grace’s line of “Needing to muzzle” Quaritch to Selfridge
  • Cut Grace’s line of “Needing to understand if you want to coexist with the Na’vi” to Selfridge
  • Cut Quaritch’s line of being “So happy, he could give Jake a kiss”
  • Cut the end of Quaritch “It’ll be humane” speech, to remove the line “… more or less”
  • Completely removed the sequence of Jake explaining to the Na’vi that he was a spy for the military, Neytiri rejecting Jake, and the Clan capturing Jake & Grace and preparing to execute them for their betrayal
  • Numerious recuts/edits to the “Hometree Bombing” sequence to remove the “Jake & Grace execution” subplot
  • Completely removed Trudy’s presence from the “Hometree Bombing” sequence
  • Cut Jake meeting Neytiri with her dead father and her telling him in anger to leave and never come back
    - Cut the final scene of the Na’vi fleeing from the “Hometree Bombing” sequence
  • Cut Trudy’s reaction shots from Grace getting shot
  • Cut Grace’s “I’m a scientist, I don’t believe in fairy tales” line
  • Cut the opening of Jake’s monologue after he wakes up in ash-covered wasteland
  • Cut Neytiri’s lines after she say’s “I was afraid, Jake…” to Jake
  • Several cuts to Quaritch’s lines during the military briefing, to reduce poor dialogue and acting
  • Cut Trudy’s “Fricken daisycutters” line, along with some of her reaction shots with her, Jake, & Norm in the moble linkup station
    - Numerous little cuts and edits throughout the final battle sequences, to improve pacing, reduce poor dialogue and acting, and remove visual inconsistencies
  • Cut the insert “close-up” shot of Trudy’s face before her chopper is blown up by Quaritch
  • Cut Jake telling Neytiri “That’s an order!”
  • Cut the scene of the Hammerhead stomping onto the mech and the soldier inside screaming
  • Cut the shot of Moat looking up from the Tree of Souls at the shuttle bomber
  • Little cuts to the “Quaritch VS Neytiri” fight, to remove a few visual inconsistencies
  • Cut Jake telling Quaritch “It’s all over”
  • Cut Jake telling Quaritch “I knew you were gonna say that”
  • Cut the extended shot of Quaritch waiting several moment before ejecting his mech’s cockpit hatch
  • Cut Quaritch asking Jake “You think you’re one of them?”
  • Cut the “linkup tunnel” shot while human Jake tries to relink with his Avatar
  • Cut the final shot of Quaritch’s “death face”
  • Removed Jake’s final line “This is Jake Scully signing off”
  • Added new title “Pandora” to the end credits
  • Added new music score for the end credits: “Oraanu Pi” & “Krosah” by E.S. Posthumus
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Just so you know, unobtanium is not the actual name of the mineral, it's a figure of speech. The figure of speech was kind of used incorrectly in the movie though, a better example would have been the element Tony Stark needed in Iron Man 2. 

 

"In engineeringfiction, or thought experimentsunobtainium (also spelled unobtanium) is any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material, or (less commonly) device needed to fulfill a given design for a given application."

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eek, double post. sorry about that

 

Also, although I didn't care for this movie all that much, I have to disagree with some of the ideas behind your edit. Avatar isn't just a heroes' journey, it's a parable, and I feel that by cutting out some of the environmentalist themes/plight of the Navi/2 dimensional characters you're really messing with the themes and message of the film.

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First of all, just so you know, Unobtainmium IS the official name given to that mineral/ore in the film:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(2009_film

(and I know full well what unobtainium is supposed to be, by the by....)

 

Second of all, I have no problem with Avatar being both a Hero's Journey and a Parable - the majority of the time, both go hand in hand with each other and work together to tell a narrative -  and I am not "messing" with the themes and message of the film (maybe you're thinking of the other Avatar fanedit thats In the Works). The only real trims to the enviromental theme that I've listed so far is a few of Grace's exchanges to Selfridge. And why is it so terrible to get rid of the 2D (shoulde be 1D) sterotyped, cliched marine soldiers shouting generic phrases like "Fresh meat!", "Bring the heat!", or "Come get some?!"?

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Really O_o. Wow, that's bad.....

 

Also, I guess I overreacted a bit. Again, I'm not an Avatar fan, but I think the writing is what it is very intentionally. It DOES bash you over the head with it and I think James Cameron was doing that intentionally. Whereas movies like the Star Wars Prequels and Transformers were just poorly written messes that I don't think successfully did what they were trying to do.

Your edit is fine, I guess it's just not my cup of tea

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Shouldn't you just wait for the missing 40 minutes to make it to disc?  There's a good chance some of the undeveloped characters will be fluffed up.

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Doctor M said:

Shouldn't you just wait for the missing 40 minutes to make it to disc?  There's a good chance some of the undeveloped characters will be fluffed up.

According to Cameron, the extended cut of Avatar that's being released later this year would only have 6-7 minutes of new footage (not 40 minutes...):
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/04/james-cameron-talks-the-enironment-the-avatar-sequel-and-more.html

 

Personally, I didn't see 6 new minutes, no matter what it's content, as going to add anything really major to the story or allowing me to effectively "re-write" the film's plot (unlike what I could do with Episode 2: Attack of the Clones and it's deleted scenes), so I decided to go ahead and just do an fanedit with what footage that's available.

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Could you possibly remove some of Quatrich's dumber lines, like "You're not in Kansas anymore" and his George W. Bush quotes when they're preparing to attack the Na'vi? Those lines, for me made him go from being a fairly interesting character to being a goofy scenery eater, and the Bush quotes made it feel way too political.

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Timstuff said:

Could you possibly remove some of Quatrich's dumber lines, like "You're not in Kansas anymore" and his George W. Bush quotes when they're preparing to attack the Na'vi? Those lines, for me made him go from being a fairly interesting character to being a goofy scenery eater, and the Bush quotes made it feel way too political.

The "You're not in Kansas anymore" line has been completely removed - not sure about the other "Bush" quotes (the "fight terror with terror"?), but I've tried to trim and tighten up the preattack meeting sequence a bit.

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The fanedit has been 100% finalized and the film now runs at 2 hours, 25 minutes (so approx. 16-17 minutes have been cut from the original version).

Started rendering the DVD files, from which I'll use to render out the Xvid AVI release.

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JasonN said:

Doctor M said:

Shouldn't you just wait for the missing 40 minutes to make it to disc?  There's a good chance some of the undeveloped characters will be fluffed up.

According to Cameron, the extended cut of Avatar that's being released later this year would only have 6-7 minutes of new footage (not 40 minutes...):
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/04/james-cameron-talks-the-enironment-the-avatar-sequel-and-more.html

 

Personally, I didn't see 6 new minutes, no matter what it's content, as going to add anything really major to the story or allowing me to effectively "re-write" the film's plot (unlike what I could do with Episode 2: Attack of the Clones and it's deleted scenes), so I decided to go ahead and just do an fanedit with what footage that's available.

The workprint was 45 minutes longer.  I know they are only adding 6 minutes for the theatrical re-release, but that doesn't mean more won't be added later.

http://www.jamescamerononline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=724

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The edit is now available as a 1.4GB AVI version (Xvid-encoded, 720x416 resolution, 5.1 dolby audio).

(for those interested, just send me a pm for links)

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Octorox said:

eek, double post. sorry about that

 

Also, although I didn't care for this movie all that much, I have to disagree with some of the ideas behind your edit. Avatar isn't just a heroes' journey, it's a parable, and I feel that by cutting out some of the environmentalist themes/plight of the Navi/2 dimensional characters you're really messing with the themes and message of the film.

 

I think you'd be more referring to my edit at the film with this, and messing with the themes and message that Cameron very poorly crammed into the film is exactly the point.

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JasonN, when is the DVD9 coming out?

 

Oh, and when the special collector's dvd comes out, are you planning to do  V2 of the edit?  There's a future earth sequence that needs to be edited back in the intro along with the original music for those scenes. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-lgI9YiNY

I don't understand why Cameron wanted to take them out, because it would have been more than interesting to see how his updated vision of a Blade Runner world would have looked like.  Also, it would have enhanced the contrast between Jake and Pandora. 

I would do this job myself if only I knew how to edit :(.

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I think we all have to actually see how the scenes turn out before we can determine if there will be any changes to any edits.

 

I'm open to the possibility myself, but it all depends.  It looks like there is possibly some good material there, and I certainly wouldn't mind a stronger opening.

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Kevinicus said:

I think we all have to actually see how the scenes turn out before we can determine if there will be any changes to any edits.

 

I'm open to the possibility myself, but it all depends.  It looks like there is possibly some good material there, and I certainly wouldn't mind a stronger opening.

They clocked in at around 4.5 minutes.  Plus in the script all the opening dialogue in the theatrical cut was supposed to be used for those scenes.  With the use of the script, the scenes could be reinserted with pinpoint accuracy.

I believe that this movie really deserves a darker tone throughout.  Those scenes should certainly fit the bill, but oh well we still have to see, I guess.  A lot of the early fans were looking forward to seeing those scenes, and I was one of them.  When I found out Cameron had taken them out, my anticipation for that movie dropped tenfold, even more when I saw how the Na'vi looked.

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Script is one thing, what's on film (or a computer in this case) is different and needs to be seen. 

 

 

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If only somebody could replace the bulk of the score of this film with something that really stands out as scifi (the only track that was good was "You Don't Dream in Cryo" at the very beginning).    I really loved the futurism/space marines in the film yet the fantasy tones did not fit in at all.  It would be truly awesome for this movie to feel more like Starship Troopers/Halo instead of Fern Gully.  Somehow, I feel it could be done. 

See how atmospheric and ambient these fan-made tracks sound as opposed to James Horner's cliche'd score:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vo9mcA17JM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1nDtIAh91c

I bet Brian Eno's music would fit in very, very well for the score.  Imagine that.

And someone should just cut out all of the parts with the Na'vi that doesn't come in conflict with the main storyline.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This movie deserves to be so much more....

Just imagine if the movie came out like this:

 

And not this:

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It sounds like you just want a completely different movie. 

I can't see how that music would really fit any scene in the movie with possible exception of the beginning.

And, pretty much every Na'vi scene (save one which isn't involved with anything at all) is directly involved with the main storyline.  Some human scenes are another matter. 

 

 

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Kevinicus said:

It sounds like you just want a completely different movie. 

I can't see how that music would really fit any scene in the movie with possible exception of the beginning.

And, pretty much every Na'vi scene (save one which isn't involved with anything at all) is directly involved with the main storyline.  Some human scenes are another matter. 

 

 

Pretty much.  Brian Eno's score could be implemented somehow, especially in the first flying scene.  But, as long as all that goofball humor Cameron put into the film is gone, I can deal with it.

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Wait, now you've totally lost me.  There was humor in Avatar?