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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
colour to schindlers list???
notice the canadian spelling to colour?? lol
So that's the "Canadian" way of spelling colour is it?????????????
LOL!!!
Sorry mate but it's the correct ENGLISH way of spelling colour! Cor, you lazy Yanks! Anyone would think you own the world!?!?!
Hehehe
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However is Lucasfilms announcement that the OT-SE is coming to DVD a pampering to the fans or a splendidly clever marketing ploy to raise awareness of Star Wars in light of the impending release of Ep3?
I personally think this is the case.......What better way to introduce NEW FANS to Star Wars (is there anyone left that hasn't seen them?) than to release the OT, Hasbro are currently producing loads of OT style figures, as well as rereleasing a whole load of figures (supposedly to cater for this new market of fans), personally I think it's all a HUGE scam to once again part us with our hard earned pennies. I know many collectors WILL buy all these so-called new figures, just because they'll have nice new cards! Suckers
I'll buy the dvd's (god sometimes I hate myself) & yes IF there is an Ultimate version I shall buy them too, but i draw the line at buying Star wars figures just because they've got a different card
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Yes its to make money. He has the right to make money. Hes not forcing you to buy them is he. About the original trilogy thing. Most not all of those who prefer the originals are prequals haters. Most of those who prefer the Special Editions like the prequals. He has been hearing there bitching since 1997 and he has learned to ignore it.
In my opinion a sweeping generalization, but that could be accurate. But I don't truly think it is fan moaning at all. I have a theory about why GL wants to release revised versions and not the originals, a very illogical thing to do by the following. Most directors consider their movies to be their "babies" after a sort. GL described his relationship with both trilogies as a "marriage." So that would make you think GL feels like the movies are part of his family. So many here ask, "How can he just throw his old kids to the street for the model son(daughter)?" I have asked the question myself as well. And I believe I have the answer. From statements GL has made he feels the OT trilogy was "abandoned." He honestly feels he didn't do his best for the OT, he and it failed in so many ways. So GL doesn't want to display his "children" that he "abandoned." And in so many ways, that is a sad thing for him. He should not beat himself up over what he and/or what NO one could do. Considering when they were made, he did something so much beyond what anyone knows and really, in a technological to their day, most movies can only try to do the same. So my honest hope for GL is he realize he never "abandoned" anything, they were fine viewed with any amount of perspective. His children then and his new growing kids (in the form of the SE and on) are "timeless" and they should be treated that way, preserved not just in the 70's, 80's, and the 90's, but for the 21st century and beyond. That's my two cents.
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Simple...If you don't like what George is doing, don't buy it!
If like me you love Star Wars, and are just happy with any kind of DVD, be happy!!!
One day we'll all be dead!!!
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Nearly every single thread on here has someone fucking moaning about Star Wars...
Simple...If you don't like what George is doing, don't buy it!
If like me you love Star Wars, and are just happy with any kind of DVD, be happy!!!
One day we'll all be dead!!!
Well, this is a site where we petion him, perhaps you shouldn't be here if you don't ever expect GL to be criticized?
(I look over admiringly at my huge collection of Star Wars books, my Star Wars Trading Cards, my action figues, and the 6 copies I have of the trilogy.)
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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.
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Originally posted by: bigmikeisajedi
The problem with yourtheory is Jimbo that you cant always change the past. Hindsight is 20/20 and no one can predict the future. And we now can see why so many directors make new directors cut but leave the original cut there also because they know that no one can go back in peoples minds and completely erase any memory of an old movie and implant, nay, program a new altered version into our minds. But good ole Georgy boy says no, no way in hell these movies dont exist, what images you have in your subconcious is nothing more than demented images of something that never existed. Thats wierd. Sounds like Bradbury huh? And every DVD retailer in this country is Montag. Burning memories of a movie that now never existed. Selling CGI Lucas porn to everyone who doesnt care one bit what they get just as long as they get it. Sheep standing in line to recieve any dvd with Star wars trilogy on it. NO matter what version they are the sheep will stand in line and recieve it. So Jimbo youre just a woolen sheep, bahhing and moaning and standing in a uniform line just like the others never deviating, just listening to whatever is said and believing it 100%. Sounds kind of like the bs that happens everyday. Sheeps being lead to the slaughter. Never knowing anything but what they are told. Never thinking for themselves. Sound familiar, just look in the mirror and you'll see what Ive been talking about. You win Jimbo, and you also lose. Merry f_ckin christmas.
So all of those who prefer the Special Editions are blind sheep. I do understand the differences and I have seen both versions many times. I have made an educated descign.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
What's a desicgn? So much for it being educated.
Or for being mature with each other.
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Originally posted by: bigmikeisajedi[/iSelling CGI Lucas porn to everyone who doesnt care one bit what they get just as long as they get it.
I take this from a longer post that I mostly agree with, but this I thought I would point out as bitterness or an example? Because while I like the OT too, I don't consider the SE just some kind of CGI Lucas porn and I think an explanation should be in order. I know as a moderate on the issue it CAN be very offending. (I say this only in the hope we don't lose a single signature over a misunderstanding and/or the media supporting GL will not use a quote like that one in the months to come.)
May the Force be with us All.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
What's a desicgn? So much for it being educated.
Everyone makes typos
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But the real reason I wanted to post is to point out what I think is an uncharacteristically cavalier attitude towards the audio changes...
In addition to being a professional film composer, I have worked for 12 years as a feature film sound designer and mixer, so I have a great appreciation for the advances we've made in sound reproduction, and imaging (or matrixing options, like 5.1), as well as the huge dynamic range increase that digital affords us, etc..
But for a feature film audio mix, the internal balance between dialogue, music, and effects is crucial to the overall perception of the drama. Turn the music down too far, and the impact of a scene can be all but obliterated. There has been a trend towards louder sound design vs music in recent years, partially because the new capabilities allow for more punch and viceral effect ("kids love the boom," as we say) as well as the fact that as film music has gotten worse, directors and mixers have come to trust it less... few composer's music can truly stand up to presence-scrutiny as well as John Williams' for example.
Spielberg (an avid music fan) always gets his mixes right... he has a tremendous amount of confidence in John Wiliams, and in the hands of mixer Gary Rydstrom, this has led to some of the most impactful moments in film history. This is the same sort of internal balance that the ORIGINAL Star Wars mixes featured: they were very "music-heavy", and more powerful for it. The THX Definitive Editions changed the internal balance between the Dialogue, Music and Effects, to showcase the new sound design, most likely, at the expense of the most powerful aspect of audio drama, the music. It's easy to hear, especially in certain scenes, like the inside of the sandcrawler... but few champion the preservation of that original mix sensibility.
We are afforded very little opportunity as an audience, to ever "A/B" a mix with more/less music, but it is an experience that forever changes your understanding of what creates drama in a soundtrack. People by music CD's and go to concerts all the time; very few people drive around listening to sound effects. That's because they aren't particularly interesting or dramatic. Now.. in an overall soundtrack, great sound design SHOULD be able to stand on its own somewhat, and the best mixes perform a continual dance between sound design and music, letting each one take center stage when appropriate.. but again, it's about balance.
Everyone here defends obvious character compromises, like Han shooting first, or rails against the gratuitous, poorly executed CG of Jabba the Hutt... and "Better Sound" sure sounds easier to get behind, until you realize that terms like 5.1, "louder", cleaner, "truer to the source", etc., are meaningless when held up to the ultimate factor, the internal balance. I, for one, don't even mind the improvements to the sound design.. all I care about is that the balance is restored.. for it was that balance that made the heroic moments heroic, and the epic themes powerful.
Mike
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Originally posted by: mverta
First of all, jimbo is having a great time stirring you guys up and watching you foam at the mouth...
Foaming????? Who's foaming?
I, for one, love reading Jimbo's posts, he doesn't rile me in the slightest. His arguments are precise, educated & to the point
Seriously though, everyone has an opinion about Star Wars, whether they love it, hate the changes etcetcetcetcetc I, personally LOVE coming here to read as many posts as I can & occasionally replying when I can be bothered too! The level of passion & dedication that many (read:all) of the members here possess is quite something to behold! Everyone here brings a different quality to the message board & keeps it alive & thriving, which is an admirable quality, don't you think?
Blimey! Where did that all come from?
Um....I've forgotten what I'd intented to post
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Originally posted by: mverta
First of all, jimbo is having a great time stirring you guys up and watching you foam at the mouth...
But the real reason I wanted to post is to point out what I think is an uncharacteristically cavalier attitude towards the audio changes...
In addition to being a professional film composer, I have worked for 12 years as a feature film sound designer and mixer, so I have a great appreciation for the advances we've made in sound reproduction, and imaging (or matrixing options, like 5.1), as well as the huge dynamic range increase that digital affords us, etc..
But for a feature film audio mix, the internal balance between dialogue, music, and effects is crucial to the overall perception of the drama. Turn the music down too far, and the impact of a scene can be all but obliterated. There has been a trend towards louder sound design vs music in recent years, partially because the new capabilities allow for more punch and viceral effect ("kids love the boom," as we say) as well as the fact that as film music has gotten worse, directors and mixers have come to trust it less... few composer's music can truly stand up to presence-scrutiny as well as John Williams' for example.
Spielberg (an avid music fan) always gets his mixes right... he has a tremendous amount of confidence in John Wiliams, and in the hands of mixer Gary Rydstrom, this has led to some of the most impactful moments in film history. This is the same sort of internal balance that the ORIGINAL Star Wars mixes featured: they were very "music-heavy", and more powerful for it. The THX Definitive Editions changed the internal balance between the Dialogue, Music and Effects, to showcase the new sound design, most likely, at the expense of the most powerful aspect of audio drama, the music. It's easy to hear, especially in certain scenes, like the inside of the sandcrawler... but few champion the preservation of that original mix sensibility.
We are afforded very little opportunity as an audience, to ever "A/B" a mix with more/less music, but it is an experience that forever changes your understanding of what creates drama in a soundtrack. People by music CD's and go to concerts all the time; very few people drive around listening to sound effects. That's because they aren't particularly interesting or dramatic. Now.. in an overall soundtrack, great sound design SHOULD be able to stand on its own somewhat, and the best mixes perform a continual dance between sound design and music, letting each one take center stage when appropriate.. but again, it's about balance.
Everyone here defends obvious character compromises, like Han shooting first, or rails against the gratuitous, poorly executed CG of Jabba the Hutt... and "Better Sound" sure sounds easier to get behind, until you realize that terms like 5.1, "louder", cleaner, "truer to the source", etc., are meaningless when held up to the ultimate factor, the internal balance. I, for one, don't even mind the improvements to the sound design.. all I care about is that the balance is restored.. for it was that balance that made the heroic moments heroic, and the epic themes powerful.
Mike
I agree with you totally, EVERYTHING that can should be preserved, including the internal balance on the soundtrack. Let's hoping that Ben Burt and GL does, after Leia's blaster sounding like a rifle in the swinging scene, etc...
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Originally posted by: mverta
First of all, jimbo is having a great time stirring you guys up and watching you foam at the mouth...
But the real reason I wanted to post is to point out what I think is an uncharacteristically cavalier attitude towards the audio changes...
In addition to being a professional film composer, I have worked for 12 years as a feature film sound designer and mixer, so I have a great appreciation for the advances we've made in sound reproduction, and imaging (or matrixing options, like 5.1), as well as the huge dynamic range increase that digital affords us, etc..
But for a feature film audio mix, the internal balance between dialogue, music, and effects is crucial to the overall perception of the drama. Turn the music down too far, and the impact of a scene can be all but obliterated. There has been a trend towards louder sound design vs music in recent years, partially because the new capabilities allow for more punch and viceral effect ("kids love the boom," as we say) as well as the fact that as film music has gotten worse, directors and mixers have come to trust it less... few composer's music can truly stand up to presence-scrutiny as well as John Williams' for example.
Spielberg (an avid music fan) always gets his mixes right... he has a tremendous amount of confidence in John Wiliams, and in the hands of mixer Gary Rydstrom, this has led to some of the most impactful moments in film history. This is the same sort of internal balance that the ORIGINAL Star Wars mixes featured: they were very "music-heavy", and more powerful for it. The THX Definitive Editions changed the internal balance between the Dialogue, Music and Effects, to showcase the new sound design, most likely, at the expense of the most powerful aspect of audio drama, the music. It's easy to hear, especially in certain scenes, like the inside of the sandcrawler... but few champion the preservation of that original mix sensibility.
We are afforded very little opportunity as an audience, to ever "A/B" a mix with more/less music, but it is an experience that forever changes your understanding of what creates drama in a soundtrack. People by music CD's and go to concerts all the time; very few people drive around listening to sound effects. That's because they aren't particularly interesting or dramatic. Now.. in an overall soundtrack, great sound design SHOULD be able to stand on its own somewhat, and the best mixes perform a continual dance between sound design and music, letting each one take center stage when appropriate.. but again, it's about balance.
Everyone here defends obvious character compromises, like Han shooting first, or rails against the gratuitous, poorly executed CG of Jabba the Hutt... and "Better Sound" sure sounds easier to get behind, until you realize that terms like 5.1, "louder", cleaner, "truer to the source", etc., are meaningless when held up to the ultimate factor, the internal balance. I, for one, don't even mind the improvements to the sound design.. all I care about is that the balance is restored.. for it was that balance that made the heroic moments heroic, and the epic themes powerful.
Mike
I am annoying people just because I argue a different view. Plus the bad digital Jabba is being fixed.
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I am annoying people just because I argue a different view. Plus the bad digital Jabba is being fixed.
I have a few questions jimbo.
Did you sign the petion?
Do you care about what happens to the OT, the rough cuts?
Do you agree with at least some of the sentiments here?
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