I will refuse to buy STAR WARS on bluray! — Page 5

Well, that sucked... I finished my popcorn and the lights haven't even gone down.

Can't or won't?

CAN'T or WON'T?

CAN'T OR WON'T, SHONZZIE???

Yeah, Jay... can you get JT34 in here already?  I don't have all day.  I mean, I do... but...

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

Cheers that’s the best news I’ve been really waiting for! I’ll now put STAR WARS on the my bluray BANNED list because it uses dtsHDMA!

I did tell you all! Well that doesn’t surprise me at all, if not a predictable of Fox as they are hell bent like all the studios now on siding with dtsHDMA. 

xhonzi said:

Yeah, Jay... can you get JT34 in here already?  I don't have all day.  I mean, I do... but...

Its been forever since I've seen Jay around here.

And I'm not buying it on BR. Now, if the OOT, properly restored, were to come out on BR, I'd finally buy a player, or a limited edition Lucasfilm player, or anything else necessary to play it. If the OOT is released PROPERLY (as in with the proper sound mixes and visual fixes and the version I love), I will pay ANY ANY ANY price for it. But until such time as that comes out, I'm not spending a fucking penny on any Star Wars or Indiana Jones stuff or anything else.

Chewtobacca said:

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

Somebody is not going to be happy....

edited - Sluggo beat me to it!

I do not ultimately care greatly which is used (although I prefer Dolby TrueHD as it usually takes up less space on the disc that could be used for other features) but I hate the fact that many modern releases only seem to have 5.1 mixes.  I would love to have original mono and stereo soundtracks included more often.  There is a real nostalgia value attached to listening to them for me.  I am not just talking about SW here, just in general.

If this was HD-DVD it would be mandatory to use Dolby True-HD but it doesn’t seem fair on films that was released exclusively in dts on theatrical release. All I’m, looking for is equal consumer fairness and that just doesn’t exist on Bluray.

I haven’t really brought many bluray titles since I stopped some 5 months ago. I brought BATMAN on warner bluray DOLBY TRUE-HD some 4 weeks ago, but I’ve basically turned my nose up at bluray now I’ve turned my back, on the format.

Faster!  More intense!  More anger!  More baseless conjecture!

MORE SQUEAKY CHAIR!

Okay, try it from the top.

Ditto on both accounts.

I'm think of Special Editioning (with DTS-MA sound!) his previous posts to make a rant that would stand the test of time!

Jedi Temple34 said:

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

 

Cheers that’s the best news I’ve been really waiting for! I’ll now put STAR WARS on the my bluray BANNED list because it uses dtsHDMA!

 

I did tell you all! Well that doesn’t surprise me at all, if not a predictable of Fox as they are hell bent like all the studios now on siding with dtsHDMA. 

 

 

But why is it such a big deal if they use DTS audio for the Blu-Rays? We're getting the special editions and not the unaltered trilogy and these had DTS audio in selected theatres so they are using the same format.I'm really happy that they have gone down the DTS route because this is really the best format, so much better than Dolby. Nearly all DTS soundtracks i've heard have knocked the spots of their Dolby counterparts.

I can understand people not wanting to buy the blu-rays because of which version they contain but refusing to buy because of an audio format is pretty laughable to me, especially when that format was used for their theatrical run.

Well i'm refusing to buy them because i saw Star Wars on film and not on some digital format so i will not buy any releases until it's released in its true format and each film get an original 35mm celluloid release

adywan said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

 

Cheers that’s the best news I’ve been really waiting for! I’ll now put STAR WARS on the my bluray BANNED list because it uses dtsHDMA!

 

I did tell you all! Well that doesn’t surprise me at all, if not a predictable of Fox as they are hell bent like all the studios now on siding with dtsHDMA. 

 

 

But why is it such a big deal if they use DTS audio for the Blu-Rays? We're getting the special editions and not the unaltered trilogy and these had DTS audio in selected theatres so they are using the same format.I'm really happy that they have gone down the DTS route because this is really the best format, so much better than Dolby. Nearly all DTS soundtracks i've heard have knocked the spots of their Dolby counterparts.

I can understand people not wanting to buy the blu-rays because of which version they contain but refusing to buy because of an audio format is pretty laughable to me, especially when that format was used for their theatrical run.

Well i'm refusing to buy them because i saw Star Wars on film and not on some digital format so i will not buy any releases until it's released in its true format and each film get an original 35mm celluloid release

Look I respect what you do don’t even try that “dts in selected theatres” on me. I saw Empire in dts at UCI Tower Park screen 6, rubbish!

So it was also in few SDDS houses if they could care about using the SDDS6.

I HATE dtsHDMA I don’t want my AVR selecting dts!

Its like a 35mm print and cinema sound rack system housing DOLBY dts and SDDS6/8 decoder the cinema as a choice in what to use for playback! With bluray we don’t get a choice now is that in anyway unclear?

f%&k sakes I’d sooner talk about “Raise the Titanic” on DVD in DOLBY STEREO than f$*king STAR WARS anymore if you understand my anger and disappointment about bluray format. SIGH

Chewtobacca said:

 

Jedi Temple34 said:If this was HD-DVD it would be mandatory to use Dolby True-HD

 

Well, not quite mandatory for Dolby TrueHD itself, as many HD DVDs did not use it, but I agree that if HD DVD were still about the Star Wars discs would probably have at least a Dolby Digital Plus track.  Still, Blu-ray and DTS-HD MA are here to stay, and much as it would be nice to have older audio mixes on discs we shall both have to become used to it. Come on, Jedi Temple34, it is not that bad! :-)

I can see where you’re coming from you seemed more relaxed about LOL. For me it’s a big deal it’s a vintage iconic Dolby film mix and Fox knows this and Lucasfilm Skywalker sound, knows this to be true, they obviously don’t give a hoot they’d sooner grab the money from the sales.

Some on blutay.com was wishing for 7.1 and that is going too far…! SIGH

7.1 is going to f%*k up a lot of classic 70mm 6trcak mixes mark my words.

To each of our own, in ways STAR WARS visual images is religious to some and others it would be sound mix.

can we talk about Raise the Titanic as that is bit hard to get on DVD in 6trcak DOLBY STEREO often it would be panned and scanned version with mono sound or widescreen version in DOLBY STEREO matrix, why it’s a classic film even thou there are some inaccuracies, as it was only discovered mid 80’s.

Jedi Temple34 said:

Look I respect what you do don’t even try that “dts in selected theatres” on me. I saw Empire in dts at UCI Tower Park screen 6, rubbish!

Don't even try that "dts in selected theatres" on you? I was merely stating a fact. And you say it was rubbish? I guess your UCI has a really crappy sound system (which most UCI's i have visited have had crappy systems) then because i saw the SE in both Dolby and DTS and the DTS version blew the other away. The dynamic range and clarity of the DTS track was amazing. The dolby track was just flat compared.

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

So it was also in few SDDS houses if they could care about using the SDDS6.

Not a format used by either Blu-Ray or DVD so this really doesn't matter

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

Its like a 35mm print and cinema sound rack system housing DOLBY dts and SDDS6/8 decoder the cinema as a choice in what to use for playback! With bluray we don’t get a choice now is that in anyway unclear?

Who do you think you are talking to me like that just because i don't agree with your over the top rants? How many films do you know available that only have a dolby track and don't give anyone the choice of a DTS track, even though the movie may have only been seen at the cinemas in DTS?? Most of them, but i don't see you ranting about that

At the end of the day i'm more concerned about the quality of a product than what sound format is used. If it contained a dolby and DTS track and the DTS was superior then i would use that one and vice versa.

This whole argument is like someone saying:

"i grew up watching Star Wars on VHS so there is no way i'm going to watch it on Blu-ray because this is not the format i originally saw it on."

Jedi Temple34 said:

 For me it’s a big deal it’s a vintage iconic Dolby film mix and Fox knows this and Lucasfilm Skywalker sound, knows this to be true, they obviously don’t give a hoot they’d sooner grab the money from the sales.

Some on blutay.com was wishing for 7.1 and that is going too far…! SIGH

7.1 is going to f%*k up a lot of classic 70mm 6trcak mixes mark my words.

But this isn't an iconic film mix. It isn't even the original SE film mix on the DVD's. And they have never used a 70mm film mix on any of the star wars films when released. 5.1 mixes aren't even the same as a 70mm soundtrack of the star wars movies and that uses Dolby, so your argument falls completely flat there. They are new mixes so it really doesn't matter which house is used to encode the soundtrack now does it? Or do you just not get that?

EvilSupes said:

I'm curious what's the source on this DTS-MA news?

I just pulled it out of my ass.  It was starting to get a bit dead in here so i thought i would liven things up a bit. It was all just for fun and no disrespect was meant towards anyone, including JT34

When you're on as many painkillers as i am at the moment it screws with your head a bit and my mischievous side comes out to play. ;)

Chewtobacca said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

For me it’s a big deal it’s a vintage iconic Dolby film mix and Fox knows this and Lucasfilm Skywalker sound, knows this to be true, they obviously don’t give a hoot they’d sooner grab the money from the sales.  To each of our own, in ways STAR WARS visual images is religious to some and others it would be sound mix.

I understand what you mean about the vintage mixes, and quite a few people around here might agree with you about small differences in the audio mix being as important to them as small changes in the video.  For me, unless Luke says "Blast it, Biggs" rather than "Blast it, Wedge" in ANH it is not quite the same.  Stupid, but true!

With the surround sound, I do not think you would notice that much of a difference if it were encoded to Dolby Digital or DTS, as long as the mix that was being encoded was the same.  By the way, is it confirmed that the Star Wars Blu-rays will be 5.1 not 7.1?

Regarding Raise the Titanic, it does seem hard to find Dolby Digital 5.1.   There is a German Dolby Digital 5.1 track, but only English 2.0 on most releases.  If I can find a 5.1 mix, I shall let you know.

…and vice versa as well with English 5.1 and German 2.0 on some titles. Raiders as a lower end on the German 2.0 over the Dolby English 5.1 mix.

Who knows I might calm the f%*k down by then but that means I’m weak minded and giving into the dark side LOL. Got be strong and I need to keep saying this again and again with fierce conviction, I’m not buying STAR WARS on bluray,

I’d sooner wait for an English Dolby 5.1 mix of “Raise the Titanic” to come out, as I don’t have it, in my DVD collection. I have enough STAR WARS films on disc to sink the Titanic many times over, if you get my meaning.