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Sluggo said:

I don't like Star Wars anymore.

OK, George. This is serious f*cking business now. When Sluggo no longer likes Star Wars, we have a PROBLEM.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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skyjedi2005 said:

Who cares about the blu ray since it will not have either theatrical versions, the 1977, or 1997 .

It will be total crap.  The new mix being created will suck too since Ben burtt does no longer work for Luca$film. Matthew wood is doing the mix, it will be garbage.

But wasn't it Ben Burtt that did the 2004 mix and look how good that turned out. Ben Burtt was just the sound FX guy and should have stuck to that. When he got his hands on the mix he dialled down the music so low it was inaudible in some sections and the sound effects just drowned everything out

He's credited for it but he mostly just supervised. I was listening to an interview recently with Matt Wood and he was talking about how he and his partner were the ones that actually created the '04 mix.

 Can you link to this? I'd be interested in hearing more about the nuts and bolts of the 2004 mix and how it ended up the way it is.

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It was in a recent forcecast that was linked here not long ago I believe. I'll see if I can track it down again but the gist of it is explained in this excerpt from his site:

Before Revenge of the Sith commenced, Matthew was to supervise the re-mastering of the Star Wars Special Edition Trilogy to DVD 2004. Bringing these films into the modern soundstage of DVD and Dolby EX, Matthew and his crew spent months meticulously reconstructing the soundtracks from their original elements. An absolute labor of love, Matthew got to relive his childhood fantasy and also work his sound expertise on his favorite films.

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Tobar said:


It was in a recent forcecast that was linked here not long ago I believe. I'll see if I can track it down again but the gist of it is explained in this excerpt from his site:


<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span style="line-height: normal;">Before Revenge of the Sith commenced, Matthew was to supervise the re-mastering of the Star Wars Special Edition Trilogy to DVD 2004. Bringing these films into the modern soundstage of DVD and Dolby EX, Matthew and his crew spent months meticulously reconstructing the soundtracks from their original elements. An absolute labor of love, Matthew got to relive his childhood fantasy and also work his sound expertise on his favorite films.</span></span>

If that's the case, what happened? Did someone else come and destroy it after he was finished?

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A man came in through the window, Dad!  And he jumped on the bed!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Must've been Fat Albert

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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A 'labour of love' is meaningless if it's made by a tone-deaf buffoon.  :p

At least now I have a name at which to direct my wrath.  He's probably exactly like those idiots in the music industry who 'remaster' old recordings by applying excessive noise reduction and adding all kinds of crap processing to distort the sound beyond recognition.  Cuz that's pretty much what the 2004 mix sounds like . . . and since the new one is being done by the same guy, it will probably be similarly awful.

And that blurb is wrong anyway--while ANH was remixed from scratch for the dvd, ESB and RotJ have only specific changes to sound effects and dialogue here and there.  The remainder of those mixes sound exactly the same as they did in 1997, which is why they fare so much better for the most part.

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Its weird, because Episode I has a pretty good sound mix, and Young Indy always had pretty good accolades. Of course its been a long time since I saw Episode I, and longer with Young Indy.

The low music levels definitely trace to Burtt, either because he trained Wood or because he was supervising. Theres a really interesting moment in the Episode III DVD doc, where they are sound mixing. Burtt has the music turned down low and the sound mixer, an older experienced guy, chews him out and says theres no point in having music if its that low. Its the only moment I've ever seen in the prequel footage where a guy stands up to Lucas and says, this is crap. And in the end, he makes Burtt turn the music back up so its louder than the sound effects, and Burtt sort of slinks back in his chair.

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I never bothered to go through the RotS extras, so I haven't actually seen that, though people here have referred to it several times.  Pretty indicative of Burtt's mindset if he has to make his stuff dominate everything else.  The prequels as a whole tend to have the music at somewhat low levels compared to the kind of prominence it enjoyed in the original films.  Not to mention it is often hacked apart and tracked over scenes it wasn't intended for.

This demonstrates exactly why posthumous remixing of film soundtracks is usually a bad idea.  Oftentimes it is done by people who were not involved in the original production, and have no real understanding of what it was intended to sound like, thinking they are improving the film when it is actually becoming worse.  Or it could be someone who was involved, but didn't get their way initially, and takes it upon themselves to 'correct' the 'errors' made the first time around.  The fact that remixes are quite often the only soundtracks available is especially galling.  If all studios had the courtesy to consistently make the originals available alongside the revisions, it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

That is not to say that all remixes are bad; Toy Story, for example, got a revision that was a definite improvement, and some of the James Bond films sound better simply because the music has greater clarity and stronger frequency response, not to mention stereo presentation (though some of the Bond remixes definitely make things worse in other ways).

If by some miracle they actually did release the original versions of the Star Wars films for Bluray, and even more miraculously use the 70mm audio masters, some amount of remixing would have to be done to fit the current format.  The two boom tracks were used for LFE effects, most notably the Star Destroyer flyby, but apparently also to increase headroom by augmenting bass response that would otherwise go to the main channels, a sort of global crossover at 250 hz.  Present day standards use an LFE channel cutoff at 120 hz, with the effects usually being rolled off starting around 80 hz.  Depending how it was done, it may not be feasible to use the boom tracks directly--the folks involved in the 1993 mixes felt that better results were obtained by adding in bass separately from a sound effects master, and this may also apply to any potential 70mm-derived 5.1 version.  So the LFE levels would be up to the mixers' discretion; some amount of increase might not be unwelcome.  There is also the possibility of introducing stereo panning into the rear channels, but generally the fewer changes made, the better it would be.

This is all hypothetical, of course, as the probability of any of it actually happening as we would want is vanishingly small.  I can only imagine what fresh horrors the new mix will bring, along with who knows what sort of rubbishy cgi garbage . . .

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This is going to be good!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

Jedi Temple34 in 3...2...1...

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adywan said:

It's just been announced that the Blu-Ray box set will be 5.1 DTS-MA audio only, with no Dolby soundtrack

Somebody is not going to be happy....

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I do not ultimately care greatly which is used (although I prefer Dolby TrueHD as it usually takes up less space on the disc that could be used for other features) but I hate the fact that many modern releases only seem to have 5.1 mixes.  I would love to have original mono and stereo soundtracks included more often.  There is a real nostalgia value attached to listening to them for me.  I am not just talking about SW here, just in general.

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Oh, and I'd like to watch the show too, please...

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Don't let us down, J T34!

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I'm sad as my receiver only seems to play DTS in stereo, but I'm in the market for a new one anyway. If I get the Blu-rays at all...

Honestly, my mom will buy me new versions of movies so I'll give her my old ones, so I'll probably get it, I just won't spend the money myself. My own little loophole to not feeling ashamed, I guess.

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Chewtobacca said:

I hate the fact that many modern releases only seem to have 5.1 mixes.  I would love to have original mono and stereo soundtracks included more often.  There is a real nostalgia value attached to listening to them for me.  I am not just talking about SW here, just in general.

I agree. Couldn't we finally get lossless original audio? Not every film needs a remix!

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Yep... any minute now...

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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TV's Frink said:

Oh, and I'd like to watch the show too, please...

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Don't let us down, J T34!

 It is starting soon!  I know it is -- any minute now...

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Or even in 2D.  Lo-Def.

something

 

Man, where is the audio format zealot when we need him?

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Yeah, so to wrap things up...

People are refusing to buy the upcoming Star Wars on bluray. 

Glad I can help!

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He's probably killed himself!

I reposted this on another forum that I'm pretty certain he posts on and he hasn't made any comments on that either.