I'd be fine with a fully remastered original interpositive in high definition with the theatrical audio, as Blade Runner did. But yes, it is better to go the negatives.
Speaking of which, I'm curious as to where the new Apocalypse Now theatrical cut transfer will come from. Its a brand new HD transfer, in the full widescreen for the first time, but the negative was cut up for the 2001 re-edit.
Are there any shots from the original Apocalypse that aren't in Redux?
I wonder what Lucas' feelings are about easter egg-type scene branching, like with T2 where you can watch it with the alternate future ending. So let's say, buried in the menu somewhere, is the option to to watch Star Wars with the original death star battle or original Mos Eisley. That's where the worst, most obvious new stuff is. (Instead of complex branching of many shots, just have a whole alternate reel in there, the movie is short enough, I think)
Baronlando said:
Are there any shots from the original Apocalypse that aren't in Redux?
I do not think so, unless you take into account the different versions of the end credits.
zombie84 said:
I'd be fine with a fully remastered original interpositive in high definition with the theatrical audio, as Blade Runner did.
Yes; that would be fine by me too.
zombie84 said: I'm curious as to where the new Apocalypse Now theatrical cut transfer will come from.
I have been wondering the same thing...
I think it will just be Redux and the original branched much like the Complete Dossier set-this time actually in 2.35!!
If we even get original audio for the OOT on a new release-all we'd probably ever get is the 93 mix. I doubt anyone would ever go back and actually release the original mixes, let alone all of them and the 70mm.
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captainsolo said:
I doubt anyone would ever go back and actually release the original mixes, let alone all of them and the 70mm.
I personally believe that after GL dies, a real restoration will be done including all of the sound mixes. It's a no-brainer.
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zombie84 said:
I'd be fine with a fully remastered original interpositive in high definition with the theatrical audio, as Blade Runner did. But yes, it is better to go the negatives.
Y'know, something that's always fascinated me about situations where the actual o-neg is scanned (such as the '04 Lowry job) is that everything on the film is .... well, negative. How exactly do they go about ... positivizing it?
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
captainsolo said:
I doubt anyone would ever go back and actually release the original mixes, let alone all of them and the 70mm.I personally believe that after GL dies, a real restoration will be done including all of the sound mixes. It's a no-brainer.
But I heard that Lucas is put into carbon freeze once in while to expand his lifespan.LOL
It’s funny how we, like him, and yet hate him, for all the wrong things.
I saw a rare 35mm print Dolby type A around early 1990’s at the Odeon and seeing the difference in wider shots like when the helicopters approach the beach, wow! The VHS was all cropped off on the sides. Later brought the DVD around 2000’s and again SIGH both of which as you know cropped off! SIGH
So its been released again and dtsHDMA doesn’t f%)king Dolby have control over this or do they enjoy being walked over, it was Dolby that made this film a classic as a widely publicized film on 70mm release even thou Superman the movie was the first film to use split-stereo surrounds 1978.
Only the originals from the 70mm six-track Dolby stereo Dolby format 42 will sound better on DVD/Bluray.
Jedi Temple34 said:
So its been released again and dtsHDMA doesn’t f%)king Dolby have control over this or do they enjoy being walked over, it was Dolby that made this film a classic as a widely publicized film on 70mm release even thou Superman the movie was the first film to use split-stereo surrounds 1978.
Isn't it enough that you have your own silly thread dedicated to your DTS issue?
Fang Zei said:
zombie84 said:
I'd be fine with a fully remastered original interpositive in high definition with the theatrical audio, as Blade Runner did. But yes, it is better to go the negatives.
Y'know, something that's always fascinated me about situations where the actual o-neg is scanned (such as the '04 Lowry job) is that everything on the film is .... well, negative. How exactly do they go about ... positivizing it?
Um, Zombie84, have you received any of my messages? Can you answer my queries in the thread?
Zombie, I sent you a PM.
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Sorry guys, been out of town all week, will get back to you on Monday. Puggo, your PM did not have the text you said it did, looks like you forgot to paste it in or something...
Site update.
The Guardian has a new editorial slamming Lucas for not releasing the originals. Very surprised to see such a prestigious paper writing this, even if it is the internet blog. Find it in the news section. Put up a links and about page. Been trying to incorporate some of the corrections and suggestions as well, and slowly cleaning up the junk text on the pages.
EDIT
Also incorporated some of Puggo's re-write of main page text.
Hey Zombie:
I've lurked OT.com since, oh, before the GOUT was born, but have decided to finally register to give you praise for your new website. It's fantastic. Your lengthy editorials/essays are goldmines (and your article on the Senator screening in particular is stupendous).
The whole thing has inspired me to buy your book!
Keep up the fabulous work, and here's hoping it's as effective as this site has been. (Because this one really has.)
Great job with the site zombie! I love your dedication.
A few things that I think needs to be done on the site:
The main page text describes that the original films are not longer available, but some of the average persons reading this will maybe say to themselves "what do they talk about, it's available already on the DVD bonus discs." I think you'll need to adress clearly why these aren't up to standards even though it's perfectly clear to us. I've actually heard some younger people who believe that the original films actually looked that way in the cinema. And that is a horrible truth which leads directly to the second suggestion, The Changes. The Lucasfilm changes comparison you link to is incomplete, faulty and sometimes even wrong in its descriptions. In fact, the whole article reeks of Lucasfilm propaganda that help reinforce younger people to think these beautiful films looked like shit.
I know you're planning to put this article directly on your page, when you do, my suggestion is that you write your own descriptions and fill in the blanks. I can help catalogue the changes if you want.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
I think using The WookieeGroomer split-screens one could make a fairly high-res comparison.
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an official 35mm archive print?
Interesting that they say this print is from Lucasfilm. That would be in complete contradiction to their usual policy of stomping out all original prints in favor of SE garbage.
Very interesting. In Lucas' home town no less! Could just be the '97 SE though.
All the recent 30th screenings were digital projection, right?
Where were you in '77?
Wow, God I hope it's the original version. Not that I'll be able to see this, but still, perfect follow-up to the Baltimore screening of ANH and it would be awesome to see screen photos.
If this was a true 1980 original, would the print still be in watchable condition after 30 years? Were the post-80 re-releases fresh new prints or were they reused?
For what it's worth, the running time listed is the original....
I'm guessing it is the 1997 print but you never know. A 1980 print would be watchable, but it would look like shit. Hard to say if there were newer prints made. The senator theatre had a charity screening around 1992 or so, and according to a guy who was friends with the projectionist, they physically looked brand new, which corresponded to how nice they looked on the screen. I would certainly say its not impossible. I wonder if Negative-1's print is from this batch because it sure isn't a 1980 print, unless it was never played and came fresh from a cold storage vault.
It's probably the '97. The running time is the only thing throwing that in doubt, but they could've very easily listed the wrong one.
It's gotta be the 97, because now that would be considered archival :(
I'd like to think it's possible for a print of ESB to still look good-the last ones shown in the 1990's were said to look fantastic.
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zombie84 said:
Steve Sansweet has his head so far up George Lucas' ass he could probably see Rick McCallum's feet.
Sorry to go so far back but it just made me laugh so hard my brother came from the next room to see what I'm laughing at :-D
