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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 20

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There we go folks. It's coming. And sans the OOT. Lucas says that that's just not what he wants, and his word is judge, jury, and god. It's over. It's done. They're gone. We've lost. R.I.P. Star Wars.

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Mike O said:

There we go folks. It's coming. And sans the OOT. Lucas says that that's just not what he wants, and his word is judge, jury, and god. It's over. It's done. They're gone. We've lost. R.I.P. Star Wars.

Like your sig, I have no interest in giving any more to the LFL empire without the quid pro quo of being able to buy the OOT.

The lowly "bonus feature" status given to the 2006 non-anamorphic Laserdisc DVD transfers was the last straw; this Blu-ray set... I have no words.

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Mielr said:

Things are getting heated over at HTF:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/299868/star-wars-on-blu-ray-in-october-2011/240#post_3720584

Either the thread is going to get locked, or someone is going to get banned....probably me! ;-)

it doesn't look that heated.

Mike O said:

There we go folks. It's coming. And sans the OOT. Lucas says that that's just not what he wants, and his word is judge, jury, and god. It's over. It's done. They're gone. We've lost. R.I.P. Star Wars.

*sobs*  : (  : (  : (  : (

 

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doubleofive said:

Sure, the SE might match the GOUT a bit better, but this is supposed to be George's final vision of the movie. Unless Luke was supposed to have a white training saber (which I believe is the EU explanation), its still wrong.

If that is the case, EU has developed a story around a videoflaw in the film ;)  The lightsaber in that shot was originally blue, you can see this in various earlier transfers, the color is just washed out in the GOUT and the '97SE transfer.

I wonder what the EU have to say about the yellow TIE lasers in GOUT-Empire. ;)

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Warbler said:



it doesn't look that heated.


When they start posting warnings over there- it's getting heated. ;-) Try reading a few pages back...

Aside from the fact that there won't be any OOT included, what about the fact that they're bundling the prequels with this set? So, half of the $150+ or whatever you'd be paying will be to purchase the prequels. I think that alone will turn a lot of people off.

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I'm sure this will follow the usual pattern - all six together in one box set, followed by individual trilogy sets once sales taper off.

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True, and everyone knows that by now, so I wonder how many people will wait it out 'till the next release.

Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic, but Lucas' position on the OOT seems to have softened a bit. The fact that he used the cost of restoration as an excuse, and not the "my vision" argument, makes me think that there may be a chance down the road, when the OT is eventually released separately, and they need an incentive to have people buy them all over again.

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Mielr said:

 

Aside from the fact that there won't be any OOT included, what about the fact that they're bundling the prequels with this set? So, half of the $150+ or whatever you'd be paying will be to purchase the prequels. I think that alone will turn a lot of people off.

 

$150?  Is that right?

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TV's Frink said:

I'm sure this will follow the usual pattern - all six together in one box set, followed by individual trilogy sets once sales taper off.

Has that happened before?  Or what 'usual pattern' are you touchstoning?

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I think maybe Frink was referring to other six-film franchise sets that have been released (?)


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Mielr said:


Aside from the fact that there won't be any OOT included, what about the fact that they're bundling the prequels with this set? So, half of the $150+ or whatever you'd be paying will be to purchase the prequels. I think that alone will turn a lot of people off.




$150? Is that right?

That's just a guesstimate. If the msrp is $200 or so, then the retail price will probably be $120-$150 or thereabouts. For six blu-ray films, I doubt if it would be much less than that.

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Mielr said:

I think maybe Frink was referring to other six-film franchise sets that have been released (?)

I guess I was thinking more of DVD sets like Alien and Indy, which had all the movies first followed by the individual movies later.  Not quite the same, but I'm sure this sucker will be released in every possibly combination they can think of.

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Mielr said:


That's just a guesstimate. If the msrp is $200 or so, then the retail price will probably be $120-$150 or thereabouts. For six blu-ray films, I doubt if it would be much less than that.

Amazon is currently selling the LOTR Blu Trilogy for $67, so $120 for six films seems like a reasonable guess.

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Mielr said:

Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic, but Lucas' position on the OOT seems to have softened a bit. The fact that he used the cost of restoration as an excuse, and not the "my vision" argument, makes me think that there may be a chance down the road, when the OT is eventually released separately, and they need an incentive to have people buy them all over again.

 It's funny you said this because I thought the same thing after my initial anger of hearing about the SE-only boxset.

My only rationale is Lucas isn't including the OOT in this set, because that will give him a selling point for the next BluRay release. 

Alot of the SE-defenders say, "Well, he isn't in it for the money, or he would release ALL the versions to maximize his profits."  Lucas maybe stubborn, but he isn't stupid, and we should never believe anything he says because he did release the OOT on DVD (albeit a crappy version) after saying those versions don't exist.

My theory:  If Lucas says the OOT will be remastered down the road, more fans will hold out for that release.  If he says the OOT is too expensive to remaster, then alot of people on the fence will relent and buy this edition.  Then in 2013, Lucas decides to remaster the OOT, and he doubles dips for a bigger profit.

As I said, the man is stubborn, but he aint stupid when it comes to making money.

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Mike O said:

There we go folks. It's coming. And sans the OOT. Lucas says that that's just not what he wants, and his word is judge, jury, and god. It's over. It's done. They're gone. We've lost. R.I.P. Star Wars.

Never.

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I agree about Lucas sounding a little "softer" about the OOT. Maybe the sales from this set will help him pay for the OT remastering. Like he needs help, but it does let him sell them all over again.

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I look at it this way:

Ever since '05, there's been lots of clamoring for a complete I-VI saga boxset, and that's exactly what this blu-ray set will finally deliver. With the help of deleted scenes, this will sell fairly well. It may not do comparable first day business to the '04 set in terms of number of copies sold, but the doubtlessly huge price tag from the extra three prequels will make up for it.

After that, well, I really don't see what else there is to dip with. It looks pretty clear to me that we're seeing a repeat of what happened with these movies on dvd.

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Mielr said:

Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic, but Lucas' position on the OOT seems to have softened a bit. The fact that he used the cost of restoration as an excuse, and not the "my vision" argument, makes me think that there may be a chance down the road, when the OT is eventually released separately, and they need an incentive to have people buy them all over again.

 It's funny you said this because I thought the same thing after my initial anger of hearing about the SE-only boxset.

My only rationale is Lucas isn't including the OOT in this set, because that will give him a selling point for the next BluRay release. 

Alot of the SE-defenders say, "Well, he isn't in it for the money, or he would release ALL the versions to maximize his profits."  Lucas maybe stubborn, but he isn't stupid, and we should never believe anything he says because he did release the OOT on DVD (albeit a crappy version) after saying those versions don't exist.

My theory:  If Lucas says the OOT will be remastered down the road, more fans will hold out for that release.  If he says the OOT is too expensive to remaster, then alot of people on the fence will relent and buy this edition.  Then in 2013, Lucas decides to remaster the OOT, and he doubles dips for a bigger profit.

As I said, the man is stubborn, but he aint stupid when it comes to making money.

There's yet to be a movie that involves a Blu-Ray double-dip that I know about. I'd like to hold out optimism for such a thing, but I just doesn't look likely, and even if it does happen, the memory of the GOUT suggests that things wouldn't look good if it did.

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Mike O said:

There we go folks. It's coming. And sans the OOT. Lucas says that that's just not what he wants, and his word is judge, jury, and god. It's over. It's done. They're gone. We've lost. R.I.P. Star Wars.

Never.

We can say that all we want, it's academic now.

 

20th Century Mark said:

I agree about Lucas sounding a little "softer" about the OOT. Maybe the sales from this set will help him pay for the OT remastering. Like he needs help, but it does let him sell them all over again.

How does he sound "softer" about anything? The man's a fucking billionaire. He doesn't "need" money for anything. He could wave his hand and have the OOT restored by next month. He doesn't want to do it. He's not going to do it. The end.

 

Fang Zei said:

I look at it this way:

Ever since '05, there's been lots of clamoring for a complete I-VI saga boxset, and that's exactly what this blu-ray set will finally deliver. With the help of deleted scenes, this will sell fairly well. It may not do comparable first day business to the '04 set in terms of number of copies sold, but the doubtlessly huge price tag from the extra three prequels will make up for it.

After that, well, I really don't see what else there is to dip with. It looks pretty clear to me that we're seeing a repeat of what happened with these movies on dvd.

Anyone remember what happened on DVD? The non-anamorphic laserdisc masters? Let's face it guys, it's going to take a miracle, and we're all fresh out. As for the assertions of "what's left?" Clone Wars and the other T.V. series, toy sales, comics, books, and other tie-in stuff.

More to the point, all of the fans who've cried that they'll never buy anything again are going to be suckered in by the deleted footage and such. What Lucas really needs is a kick in the ass of massive undersales of people who say "fuck it," and don't buy it without the OOT. I'd like to believe that with BR still being a bit more of a fanboy format, that he'd take a dent, but smart as he is, Lucas waited until it found some mainstream market penetration so as to avoid such a situation. More to the point, restoring the original versions would cost considerable money and given the niche market for them, Lucas probably just doesn't see it as a viable business move.

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Mike O said:

There's yet to be a movie that involves a Blu-Ray double-dip that I know about.

Terminator 2: Judgment Day

I think you are probably right, about the Star Wars Blu-rays though.  The latest GOUT restorations look set to be excellent though, Adywan's restoration of ESB looks good, so I would not lose hope!  :-)

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20th Century Mark said:

I agree about Lucas sounding a little "softer" about the OOT. Maybe the sales from this set will help him pay for the OT remastering. Like he needs help, but it does let him sell them all over again.

How does he sound "softer" about anything? The man's a fucking billionaire. He doesn't "need" money for anything. He could wave his hand and have the OOT restored by next month. He doesn't want to do it. He's not going to do it. The end.

I mean he doesn't flat out say they don't exist anymore. Now he's saying it's too expensive and something to the fact that unfortunately the SE are more important right now ( I can't remember the exact quote) The need money thing was tongue in cheek - of course he doesn't need it.

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Yeah, one of his quotes from the other day seemed to effectively say that the theatrical cuts are lower on the priority list and wouldn't be on this release, not that they weren't being considered at all.

I'm betting that they'll be restored and released eventually, but I'm not holding my breath that it'll happen in the next 5 years.  Maybe in 2017 for the 40th anniversary?

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They would (probably) if they were allowed to, which they won't (almost certainly).

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Bingowings said:

They would (probably) if they were allowed to, which they aren't (almost certainly).

Fixed.

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You know, the SE DVDs were getting a bit stale and boring lately. George sure has shaken things up around here with his release announcement ;)

Star Wars fandom: the gift that keeps on giving.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Fang Zei said:



After that, well, I really don't see what else there is to dip with. It looks pretty clear to me that we're seeing a repeat of what happened with these movies on dvd.


Right- the selling point with the '06 DVDs was that they included the GOUT, which the '04 set didn't.

Aside from the OOT, there won't be anything left to pull out of the hat for a blu-ray double-dip.

-OR-
Maybe with the 2nd blu-ray release, well finally get the OOT as anamorphic DVDs! Then, in 2027, when the SE is released on Ultraviolet-Ray, we'll get the OOT on blu-ray! :-P