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ChainsawAsh said:

Presumably, right after Vader goes "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" and storms off, this scene begins, where Vader is continuing to storm off, arrives in his chamber-thing, and starts telepathically communicating to Luke.

I'm 98% sure that this isn't the full version of the scene, and it actually continues onward, with Luke giving R2 the lightsaber, then sending the droids off.

Then you'd cut to R2 and Threepio heading to Jabba's palace, and the film continues as normal from there.

do you also know the name of the soundtrack that plays in that scene

Death Star in Disarray/Tatooine Rendezvous.  At least, that's what mine says (I think I got it from ABC).

Harmy, based on that video, I think it is the same prop.

1) Look at the way the activation button slides open in the "deleted scene" and the footage you linked me to

2) There's a distinct possibility that the full scene wasn't shown at Celebration V

3) It's also possible that, in editing the scene before it was excised completely, the "tinkering" footage was cut down to the point where most of the "disassembling"/"reassembling" wasn't included.

Seriously though, as soon as the guy in the video you linked slid open the button, my immediate thought was, "That's clearly the same prop in the deleted scene."

I've seen the scene now from 3 different angles.  It's the real deal I am 100% certain.

It is impressive how this scene, and presumably many others that are going into the "Deleted Scenes Section", was kept on the down-low for so long.

Harmy, there is no way in hell that the scene is a fake.

I think Zombie84 over in the General Star Wars Discussion part of the site hit it on the head:

It's how the scene would have looked if it was released with the film in 1983, but the only new footage shot was of C-3PO and either Mark Hamill with Artoo, or a stand-in for Mark.  The Vader stuff was culled from deleted ESB and ROTJ footage, and lines that hadn't been used in other scenes.  3PO was composited in later over the footage of Luke and Artoo, and the scene was in the cut that John Williams scored to, which is why there's music for it.

The corridor shot Vader looks like he has Prowse's walk.

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The corridor looks like those intended to be used for the cut extended bunker raid. It also resembles the one built for the scene where Vader was to choke Jejerrod (and I imagine it was taken from there as he is entering an identical lift to the one which gains access to the Emperor's chamber).

Vader all times appears to be the over glossy ROTJ mask (perhaps the actual meditation chamber is a composite of ESB footage I don't know what happened to that set after ESB but the Executor bridge set had clearly been only partially maintained).

For relocating Ben's Ghost to Tatooine the cave would be easier to add Ben to than my idea for Ben's Hut but it would lack that iconic storytelling touch (it would be nice if he eventually retired and died there giving Han another ironic line of prescience).

The main problem is while a shot like this might be relatively easy to do :

What do you do when Ben turns up?

You could have Luke talk to thin air for most of the time and only have him materialise when he sits down or I suppose you could use the back of Ben from scenes from ANH with the ghost effect until he get's into position to sit down.

It's a problem I would like to solve.

It's a shame we never got a view of the other side of the hut (which was never built anyway) as that would solve everything.

Bingowings said:

cut extended bunker raid.

i really hope this surfaces too. is there a list anywhere of rumoured cut footage?

Harmy when do you think this scene was shot if not in the 1980's?

A month ago? Well anything is possible so you never know - I never rule out possibilities.

However I tend to think this new scene simply is what it is. It may be a combination of cut scenes to get the desired result but that's nothing new for the SW movies. They've recycled footage before.

Nevertheless if it wasn't shot in the 80's than both GL & Mark Hammill are blatanty lying to fans but for the life of me I see no reason for either of them to risk doing something so odd.

If this really was put together a short time ago GL could just have easily come out and said just that. Fans would have liked it anyway. He could have just said "here's a little something we put together for the special features , (like the new Wampa in ESB) hope you guys like it b/c we know you've wanted something like this for a long time."

That makes more sense than just lying.

Here's some more about the AT-AT's.  Before you roll your eyes, it bears mention I think.

I casually brought up the TESB:R project and it's changes to my Mom.  I said, without offering an opinion one way or the other, that the walker's red "eye" would be removed to match the others.

Here's her reply:

"Why?  I always believed that the lead walker (the one in front) had a red eye because it was the one charged with destroying the shield generator and it's targeting system was activated, while the others didn't need them activated for wreaking havoc on the Rebels."

Makes sense to me.  I had no idea she felt that way!

I was also showing her some pictures of Hasbro toys coming up this year and next from Celebration V, and she noted that one of the Target exclusive "Attack on Hoth" sets includes an AT-ST with Hoth paint applications.  She said, "Isn't that guy removing it from his version?"

Well, there you have it. 

Harmy said:

Really? If this is actually the original scene shot in 1980s I'll eat my shoes.

1)It's totally not really Mark Hamill.

2) He's not wearing the glove (M.H. said he remembers wearing it in that scene).

3) The dismountable lightsaber prop made especially for that scene is not use, insted the riddiculous stand in for M.H. screws with a screwdriver (apparently not actually doing anything) to convey the idea of finishing the sabre.

4) All that footage is shot prequel style (I'm pretty sure that it's the ROTS Vader costume in the Vader shots and it uses a weird video-like zoom and the whole thing just looks like a home made video to me - yes I know it is shot with a camera from a screen but I somehow don't think that is the reason it looks like it does).

I think it sucks ass and it definitely should not be put into the movie, even if they restored the actual original scene. Much like the Jabba scene in SW it was originally cut for a good reason and should be kept out.

I own a Master Replicas ROTS helmet and this looks more like a ROTJ Vader than ROTS.

Um yeah he gets his glove after this scene. This is obviously the scene where he's in Obi-Wan's hut having gained the knowledge of how to contruct his own light-sabre and making the finishing touches.

Who can say if it really is Mark Hamill or not. Look at the New Tron Legacy trailer and what they did with Jeff Bridges. It would have been even easier for Lucasarts to CG Mark Hamils Lips and bum chin hehe.

Just have to wait and see ;-)

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=8

Let the guessing begin as to which cut scene will be revealed on the blu-ray.

Maybe GL will dust off the Lost Cut for an official release?

I think so. It also had a complete lack of editing/cutting.

Going back a bit to the Carkoonian Rope Trick, shifting an idea around from this storyboard :

Instead of having a shot of the Sarlacc's tentacle snapping it might make the swing workable if the rope snapped in mid swing and Luke used his Jedi skill to carry the momentum of the swing a little further (with the Force) so Leia and Luke could land on the barge.

Lets hope there are more deleted scenes where that came from.

"It seems like they fixed some of the errors the DVD release introduced as Luke's saber was actually white during his remote training and the color overall looked a LOT better than what I remember from the last release."

So is it blue now? Because that was really the main problem in AnH in terms of saber colors. Actually I think it was white/green on the DVD's. I haven't seen that version in soooo long.

:P

Anyway if they were showing the future blu-ray cuts or at least the WIP's than I'm curious how the CG Yoda looked integrated into TPM...for me that's a big selling point.