Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 101

Please tell me multiple back-ups of this project have been made.

I really want to see the final results without some random hard drive error screwing it up at the final hurdle.

That would be too tragic.

In conversations TM has told me that he does indeed back everything up.

Just wanted to drop in and let everyone know that work is still continuing on this... If TM isn't talking, it means he's working! =)

I'm glad more and more people are seeing the workprint. Keep in mind, this is still very crude compared to what TM has in store for the final cut.

Thanks for the mention, TM. Your edit is on a whole other level than mine, but I'd be very honoured if you considered any of my ideas worthy of inclusion. Thankyou for your graciousness in allowing me to borrow yours.

Tried this at the radical prequel thread with very little activity. I was playing around and thought I solved a problem I had with Obi-Wan jumping out the window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvmJM4kSofc

Thanks Erik!

Well, about the same way Anakin jumps out of a speeder and lands on the exact ship... They are Jedi. I can understand that they can feel the assassin's presence. It's much less far fetched then the former way it was done.

^Agreed. And when you consider that originally, Obi Wan plummets probably a friggin' vertical mile, then as soon as he's rescued, he can go "oh there he is". Seriously? She flew off in a different direction as soon as she shot him. How could she possible be anywhere near for Obi Wan to spot her just like that?

Exactly. Thank you.

There may be a way, but still... The original is still more ridiculous as Brash said.  And honestly, I think she would be too far to see with eyes at that point.

MTHaslett said:

I respectfully disagree. How could the original cut be "more" ridiculous? At least he had seen her-- that his attention to the Force allows him to predict her route to some degree is totally in line with what they tell us the Force can do.

How does having "seen" her have any relevance at all to how they track her down? (having "seen" her is also pure speculation on your part as you don't see any reaction from Obi Wan to even imply that he's spotted her before she shoots the droid)

Did you see how far he fell?! All the while she flies off in an unknown direction. Him having (apparently) seen her makes no difference. They find her "through the force" (at least that's the only explanation that comes to mind seeing as it would be otherwise impossible for him to have known where she was headed, nor did he relay this information to anakin, who is after all the one who's flying, or for them to have even been on the same altitude as her so quickly). Both methods of finding her are "through the force" however the original is much more far fetched as Anakin tracks down two people travelling at high velocity through a massively populated city, miles from his original location and miles apart from eachother. All through the force.

MTHaslett said:

The new cut exaggerates the flaws of the original. By finding the culprit without the slightest trail or clue, in the space of a single cut gives them extra superpowers that we never see anywhere else in the saga. If they can do this, they can never be fooled or lost or anything.

Nope. The way mrbenja has cut it leaves Zam's location open to interpretation. She could be around the corner or across the street (which is implied by the shot of her immediately making an escape after she's seen that her plan has backfired).  You're implying that mrbenja's cut makes the Jedi seem infallible, yet you're saying it's completely fine that Anakin can pinpoint her exact location miles away, having just done exactly the same with Obi Wan too. Lol. It's not far fetched at all when you interpret Zam as being nearby.

MTHaslett said:

But by having Obi Wan jump out the window and grab the floating thingy, Obi Wan at least gets dragged in the direction of the bad guy. At least they get a hint about, I don't know, what point on the compass they should be looking in. What half of the city. What general area to focus their amazing powers. Without that, it's like a Superfriends cut-- no connecting tissue of logic at all-- just: "Hey, there he is!"

MTHaslett said:

When Anakin and Obi Wan follow the drone, they are given "clues" to follow back to the culprit. Without that, the jump cut is too vast and illogical for me, especially considering the material that is cut makes at least as much sense, if not more.

Erm...how do they get any "clues" exactly? In the form of what? Obi's the only one being dragged along, and Anakin finds Obi Wan and the Assassin's location without Obi Wan relaying anything other than "there he is" when they've already caught up with her. And they never even get a chance to implement any "clues" as they find her just like THAT! The way you've described it as a "superfriends" cut is exactly how the original plays out!

Wow.. Two guys I really respect duking it out! Calm it guys. It's all good.

It's like I've said before, you do the fanedit that pleases yourself, not the masses.

MTHaslett, while I understand where you're coming from I still have to agree with Brash... I was simply trying to make the chase scene less crazy. I realize my way doesn't relieve the sequence of all the stupidity. But I do think it makes it easier to swallow.

Like Brash said; in the original cut Obi-Wan plummets a mile straight down, all the while Zam is still flying as far away from the two Jedi as possible... Anakin zips down to get Obi; they make their funny jokes and then, "Oh, there he is!"

But please, convince me otherwise. It's not impossible. =) Besides, I truly do respect your opinions. Thanks for keeping me thinking!

Haha I didn't mean for it to come across as "duking it out". I apologise if I got a bit passionate in my rebuttal =)

Seeing as this is the only place Benja's scene is being discussed I may as well post it here. I decided to see what a hybrid of my version and Benja's without a leaping Obi Wan would look like. It's very rough and the sound is all over the place, but I only spent 15 minutes or so on it. If I was doing this in my edit, i'd be a lot more meticulous in choosing appropriate shots. it's a little too fast paced the way it is now, but you get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siFkMU9pQW8

Unfortunately, that's always going to be a problem with it unless someone gets rid of the droid entirely and finds some way of showing her attempting the assassination directly. :-/

Why the bugs are necessary in the first place, I don't know.

Red Letter Media pointed out as much in his review....basically stating "if a droid can get deadly centipedes into a room, why not just shoot her? KABLAMO! No more Amidala." =p

I really like that video, Brash! Very fast-paced and exciting.

I'm gonna guess the worms were part of an idea Lucas had of having a progression of "layers" of bad guys, catch one to find they were working under a hidden tier of superiors...start with worms, end with Sidious!

Like much of Lucas's output, interesting idea, questionable execution.