Should Warb resume talking about politics? — Page 5

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

MORE FORUM VOTES ON YOUR "FORUM FUTURE?"  YOU WANTED THE SAME THING DONE ON THE MANGLER BROS. FORUM, AND LOOK HOW THAT TURNED OUT.  WARBLER, AND I MEAN NO HARM BY THIS, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD GET TESTED FOR CLINICAL DEPRESSION.  

1.  I still wonder how that poll in your alternate universe would have turned out if it had been set up the way I wanted it set up,  instead of the way it was done.  

2.  This poll was not to ask if people still wanted me to post on this forum,  this poll about whether or not I should resume talking politics. 

3. I am already taking an anti-depressant and am in therapy. 

C3PX said:

Warbler said:

all I can say is that half the time, I can't understand what the hell he is trying to get at.   He comes off to me as very confusing. 

I don't see why. Maybe I am just so used to working cross-culturally that he makes more sense to me than he does to others.

I think that is true.   Though I feel I add that couple of years ago a was on a forum with some people whom German was their first language and I was able to understand them just fine.

C3PX said:

His English really is not all that bad.

I disagree. 

C3PX said:

I think he may be right when he says you seem to misunderstand me just as often as you do him, but that you just assume you understand what I am saying, even though it might be something completely different than you perceive it to be, simply because my sentences make sense to you.

its possible. 

C3PX said:

sorry for annoying you.    I do believe your reasons for posting here,  I do not believe that is ABC's motivation. 

ABC might have gotten a little harsh with the life/wife comment, but I think for the most part he meant well. I think he was just becoming exasperated with your lack of drive and your willingness to allow others to make decisions for you on a whim. In all honesty, that is kind of a hard concept to follow. Before ABC said something about us all being students, well, in the context of this, I suppose ABC and I are the students and you are the teacher, it is an angle I have a hard time wrapping my head around, and apparently so does ABC. Be mad at him or ignore him if you like, but I have never really gotten the impression he is looking down on you, like you seem to think he is.

we will just have to see. 

C3PX said:

I do have a desire to do so.   You make it sound as easy as flipping on a light switch.  Its not.   Whenever I have tried to "get a life" I've always failed and fallen flat on my ass.     

I think we have all fallen flat on our asses at at least one point or another while trying to "get a life",

have you done it again and again and again and again and again again and again and ...(you get the picture)? 

C3PX said:

you are just trying to do it much later in life and you seem to beat yourself up a lot more than you should, making it even that much harder.

I agree,  so does my therapist.   Am trying to stop beat myself up so much.  But it is a lifelong habit and hard to break.

C3PX said:

In all reality, it isn't really fair for me to try to assess your situation, since I don't actually know anything about your life. You could be a quadruple amputee who types with his chin for all I know.

fortunately, that is not so.

C3PX said:

So, this comment may be kind of unfair, but I get the impression that your biggest problem is your fear of failure, which, incidentally, condemns you to instant failure by default.

perhaps, but I think we're getting into an area that is best left for me and my therapist to discuss.

C3PX said:

 

I used to love going roller skating when I was a little kid, it always seemed like so much fun, but only when I had railing or someones hand to hold onto. I'd watch the other kids and see them zipping around on their own and think how great it would be to do that. I couldn't wait until I was able to skate on my own! Unfortunately, I was petrified of falling on my ass. I never realized that in order to learn to skate you had to fall on your ass your fair share of times. To this very day, I still have not learned to skate.

I could never skate either. 

C3PX said:

*sigh* maybe I was a little childish about it.   I just wanted to make this as close to a forum poll as possible.   If this forum had had the capability, I would have create a real poll, but it doesn't.   

I guess I shall just have to make up my own mind as to whether or not to resume talking politics. 

This is a good example of ABC's comment on you misunderstanding me like you understand him, regardless of the fact that you and I share a common primary language. I was never suggesting that the way in which you organized your election was childish, in fact, it was clever enough and very much on par with, if not above, many of the other gags and games that go on in the off-topic these days.

but you did call it childish.  I will quote you:

C3PX said:

Oddly, while ABC and I speak differently languages, we seem to communicate with each other very well. He didn't have to speak for me on how childish I thought your vote was, I made it clear myself by stating how ridiculous (or childish, if you will) I thought the vote was from the very beginning, added with my coin toss, which was meant to drive my point home, but you took it seriously.

and here you do it again:

 

Even if it had been an actual poll, I would have thought it childish/ridiculous. It was what it was about, rather than how it was done that made me think it childish and refused to take part in it (in a serious capacity).

could you please explain?

Dear C3PX,

Too much words kill the words, mostly when they fall in a blocked ear. Your effort for clarification here is sure valuable to my eyes, but the transformation of every ideas and feelings you will share here makes it rather worthless and painful.

The essential has been said and is once again burried into kilometers of quotes and useless details.

A wise man said: "Pour pur water in mud, and you will obtain... mud !".

Save your gold, man. You've tried since too long!

Gaffer Tape said:

"My" wireless internet signal disappeared for a while.

Vork said:

I hear you, brother.

Just discovered it a few weeks ago :-)

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

Warbler said:

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

MORE FORUM VOTES ON YOUR "FORUM FUTURE?"  YOU WANTED THE SAME THING DONE ON THE MANGLER BROS. FORUM, AND LOOK HOW THAT TURNED OUT.  WARBLER, AND I MEAN NO HARM BY THIS, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD GET TESTED FOR CLINICAL DEPRESSION.  

1.  I still wonder how that poll in your alternate universe would have turned out if it had been set up the way I wanted it set up,  instead of the way it was done.  

2.  This poll was not to ask if people still wanted me to post on this forum,  this poll about whether or not I should resume talking politics. 

3. I am already taking an anti-depressant and am in therapy. 

I SAT THE POLL UP THE WAY I DID TO KEEP FROM SINGLING YOU OUT ON THE FORUM.  I MADE IT FAIR AND DEMOCRATIC IN ORDER TO KEEP ANYONE FROM COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RESULTS.

You set it up in a way that singled me out.   It singled me out as the initiator of a poll that would have kicked someone off the forum.   They didn't like such a poll and so they voted for the person that they blamed for the poll, me.    I wanted a poll where the only one in danger of being kicked off was me.   I believe those that chose not to vote in your poll, might have chosen to vote to keep me on the forum, if the poll had been set up the way I wanted it.  

Dayv's poll:

who do you want kicked off the forum?

(listed each forum member)

(here a popularity contest in which, not surprisingly, I finished last )

Warbler's poll

should Warbler leave the forum or not?

(yes or no)

(here a simple question of whether or not forum members wanted me on the forum)

a big difference is it not?  

In your poll, someone had to get kicked off the forum. In my poll it was possible no one would get kicked off the forum. 

Its possible that if someone had to be kicked off the forum, they'd prefer it was me rather then someone else.  But that is not the same as not wanting me on the forum. 

A B C said:

Dear C3PX,

Too much words kill the words, mostly when they fall in a blocked ear. Your effort for clarification here is sure valuable to my eyes, but the transformation of every ideas and feelings you will share here makes it rather worthless and painful.

The essential has been said and is once again burried into kilometers of quotes and useless details.

 

A wise man said: "Pour pur water in mud, and you will obtain... mud !".

 

Save your gold, man. You've tried since too long!

that's right, I'm just a stupid, closed minded idiot.   (even though I've decided to do away with the election results and decide the matter for myself)

C3PX said:

Warbler said:

all I can say is that half the time, I can't understand what the hell he is trying to get at.   He comes off to me as very confusing. 

I don't see why. Maybe I am just so used to working cross-culturally that he makes more sense to me than he does to others. His English really is not all that bad. I think he may be right when he says you seem to misunderstand me just as often as you do him, but that you just assume you understand what I am saying, even though it might be something completely different than you perceive it to be, simply because my sentences make sense to you.

To be fair, half the time I don't know what ABC is trying to say either.

C3PX said:

Warbl

C3PX said:

His English really is not all that bad.

I disagree.

 Better than your French, I presume. ;)

true, but that's not saying very much.

C3PX said:

At any rate. May not be refined, but he is able to get his points across, even if one does have to take a second to slowly read over his posts. In fact, I find his posts are easier to read and understand than a lot of crap that gets posted on facebook by first English speakers I grew up with. 

again, all I can say, is that I have a whole lot of difficulty understanding what he is saying.

C3PX said:

have you done it again and again and again and again and again again and again and ...(you get the picture)? 

Hmm, that is a lot of "again"s. Not sure for how far they go on for, but taking into account the seven agains that got depicted in your post (assuming "you get the picture" is an abbreviation of numerous other agains to follow, I cannot take them into accound not nowing their number).

But yeah, seven times fallen on my ass? That sounds about right, but I'd go ahead and toss in three or four more for good measure (and I consider myself lucky I have fallen down such a small number of times). In fact, as I type this and over the last few days I have been feeling like I am dangerously close to falling on my ass once again. Everything feels held up but by a single thread, at this junction it is either going to snap (which my pessimistic side is 100% sure will happen quite soon and has spent the entire day dominating my brain and thinking up various drastic contingency plans, none of which my optimistic side has been too thrilled about), and I will find myself once again on my ass with no place to go, or I am going to be able to weave that thread into a much more sturdy support and carry on dangling from it for a good long while. If it does snap and I end up on my ass, as always, I will pick myself up and start over, because that is what we do in this life. That is how we keep going. Eventually we find a good grip and find a life we can ride for a good long while, and if we are lucky, it will carry us comfortably to the end of the road. 

You make good points, thank you.    Good luck with "weaving together your thread"

C3PX said:

I agree,  so does my therapist.   Am trying to stop beat myself up so much.  But it is a lifelong habit and hard to break.

Then what I am about to say is nothing new to you. You have no need to beat on yourself, because you are a pretty cool guy. I have always liked you as a fellow forum member, and obviously everyone else seems to enjoy you as well. Not long ago one member commented on how good it was to see you post outside of the politics thread since they never posted in there themselves and we enjoying interacting with you. It is when you start ragging on yourself and beating yourself up that you become a drag to those around you.

you're right.  I really need to try harder to not beat myself up. 

C3PX said:

perhaps, but I think we're getting into an area that is best left for me and my therapist to discuss.

I wasn't trying to bud in, just giving my assessment, and it sounds like I am right on, which is good news for you! Fears can be dealt with, you just have to whip out your sword and hack their head off. Which is... easier said than done.

agreed again.

C3PX said:

*sigh* maybe I was a little childish about it.   I just wanted to make this as close to a forum poll as possible.   If this forum had had the capability, I would have create a real poll, but it doesn't.   

I guess I shall just have to make up my own mind as to whether or not to resume talking politics. 

This is a good example of ABC's comment on you misunderstanding me like you understand him, regardless of the fact that you and I share a common primary language. I was never suggesting that the way in which you organized your election was childish, in fact, it was clever enough and very much on par with, if not above, many of the other gags and games that go on in the off-topic these days.

but you did call it childish.  I will quote you:

C3PX said:

Oddly, while ABC and I speak differently languages, we seem to communicate with each other very well. He didn't have to speak for me on how childish I thought your vote was, I made it clear myself by stating how ridiculous (or childish, if you will) I thought the vote was from the very beginning, added with my coin toss, which was meant to drive my point home, but you took it seriously.

and here you do it again:

 

Even if it had been an actual poll, I would have thought it childish/ridiculous. It was what it was about, rather than how it was done that made me think it childish and refused to take part in it (in a serious capacity).

could you please explain?

I know. I think it was childish. That has been established. You defended it saying you wanted it to be like a poll, but there was no poll option. Had there been a poll option on this board and you had infact made a poll, I would have felt it was childish just the same.

You seemed to feel (or at least I took this to be the case and responded as such) that we thought it was childish because of the way in which you conducted it, i.e. that we were bashing your making it out to be like an official election. BUT that WASN'T the case. I admitted that I thought that part was clever and amusing. ABC and I were calling the very idea of putting your own personal decisions to a vote, whether it be makeshift forum election or via a true poll, to be rather childish. It was what you were doing, not how you were doing it. We both clearly explained why we felt this way in earlier posts.

Does that make sense now?

while I'm not sure that I agree that what I was doing was childish,  what you say does make sense now.

C3PX said:

Warb, I had only heard about that poll at Dayv's place from Ferris, as I had not logged in for a good long while, and honestly, after you were banned, being one of the members there I enjoyed interacting with the most, I never bothered going back. I understood that poll to be of a very different nature than it was. I thought that everyone had gotten tired of you and another forum member (who I actually also quite liked) going at it all the time, so Dayv decided one of you needed to go and put it up for a vote. Ferris sent me a PM after it happened expressing how dissapointed he was that you where kicked, because like me, he too really enjoyed interacting with you.

Now from reading your post, I realized it was self inflicted, even if Dayv did screw it up and make it in a different format than you asked him to, you still asked him to offer up the option of everyone electing to ban you. Why do you do that kind of shit? It feels like you are looking for affirmation that you are wanted. It is a public forum, you don't have to do that. There will always be people who like you and people who don't. That is just the way it is. As long as you have one single friend around who enjoys you being here (or posting in certain threads) what else matters? 

The reason behind my poll at Dayv place was a little more complicated than me looking for affirmation.  I got into a big fight with another forum member there.   He basically made it his goal to run me off the forum.  At one point, he basically tried to argue with me that no one wanted me on the forum.   I wanted the poll to prove him wrong.   I wanted to show him that I was liked and wanted on the forum.  Unfortunately(as with many things in my life), it blew up in my face.   The situation there only managed lower my already low self-esteem.

C3PX said:

Just that fact that guys like myself, ABC, Gaffer, (hell, you even got Dayv to come out of the shadows), Bingowings, and other who have posted more than just a few sentences or negative comments ought to clearly show that you matter here. But just keep in mind, pulling needy shit and constantly seeking reaffirmation is a good way to push people away. A guy/girl who constantly has to ask their girlfriend/boyfriend if they love them is a good candidate for a dumping, because no one wants to feel their words and affection constantly doubted. Same thing goes for a friend who always has to ask, "we're good friends, right?" "you like hanging out with me, right?" Those kinds of demands can get exhusting, and someone who would have otherwised really enjoyed the company of that person may end up deciding that it simply isn't worth all the extra effort in order to be their friend. Low maintenance people are great. High maintenance people can be a chore. Just some practical advice.

your points are taken.  I will try not to be high maintenance.   I don't want to lose friendships that way.

C3PX said:

Warbler said:

A B C said:

Dear C3PX,

Too much words kill the words, mostly when they fall in a blocked ear. Your effort for clarification here is sure valuable to my eyes, but the transformation of every ideas and feelings you will share here makes it rather worthless and painful.

The essential has been said and is once again burried into kilometers of quotes and useless details.

that's right, I'm just a stupid, closed minded idiot.   (even though I've decided to do away with the election results and decide the matter for myself)

I think you are taking ABC's comments the wrong way again. By claiming that he was calling you a stupid, close minded idiot you are putting words in his mouth. He did say my words are falling on a blocked ear, but you are reading a lot into that in order to turn it around and take it as an insult.

it seems I have bad habit of taking things as insults that weren't that way.  I apologize to ABC.

C3PX said:

I think he is right in telling me what needed to be said was said in the beginning, and that since then I have just wasted a bunch of time rehashing and over explaining what was clearly put in our initial posts.

It does appear that I have wasted an obscene quantity of time posting on this topic, and I am not really sure if I am coming off as the helpful friend that I intended to be, or as a complete asshole who is just picking on you relentlessly. Either way, I was probably wrong to poke my head into things this far. It has however been a nice distraction that helped me get my mind off some stuff that was really eating at me. Now it is time for me to get some sleep so I can wake up and get to work on weaving my precarious little thread into something more akin to a rope.

you are coming off as an extremely helpful friend, and certainly not an a-hole.    I appreciate it alot.   I don't consider your posts wasted at all.   I thank you, alot

Again, good luck on weaving your rope.

TV's Frink said:

C3PX said:

Warbler said:

all I can say is that half the time, I can't understand what the hell he is trying to get at.   He comes off to me as very confusing. 

I don't see why. Maybe I am just so used to working cross-culturally that he makes more sense to me than he does to others. His English really is not all that bad. I think he may be right when he says you seem to misunderstand me just as often as you do him, but that you just assume you understand what I am saying, even though it might be something completely different than you perceive it to be, simply because my sentences make sense to you.

To be fair, half the time I don't know what ABC is trying to say either.

glad I'm not the only one.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

THE POLL DID NOT SINGLE YOU OUT.  IF SO, THEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE THE POLL YOU WANTED.  

I think everyone can clearly see the differences between a poll that forces you to choose someone to kick off the forum and poll that asks whether or not a certain person should leave the forum.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

SERIOUSLY, WARBLER, YOU DO HAVE A WAY OF INSTIGATING THINGS, AND THEN YOU COME BACK PLAYING THE VICTIM.  YOU DO THAT FOR ATTENTION.  

that maybe so, and I may have to work on that.   But in the case of what happened on your forum,  I believe I was the victim.   I was victim of bullying and insults.  I was the victim of a successful attempt to run me off the forum.   I was victim of someone whom no matter what I said or did, made up his mind to hate me and to assume the worst interpretations of my posts.   Just so its clear, the person I speak of is not Dayv.                

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

I EVEN GAVE YOU A FORUM TO RUN AFTER ALL WAS SAID AND DONE.  YES, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME WORK INTO IT.  THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW FORUM, BUT YOU REFUSED TO PUT THE WORK INTO IT.

I was under the impression that we were going to run it together.  You had plans for the forum that you never carried out.   Also, to be honest, I really just didn't feel like running a forum at that time.   I do thank you for offering me the forum, though.   It was a nice gesture.  But I think my decision to step down as admin there was the right decision.   I'm not cut out to be a forum admin.  I wish you the best of luck in whatever you do with that forum.