J. Williams & LSO, The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK AUDIOPHILE EDITION - Restored & Remastered Score (Released) — Page 17

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Forget about the samples I've posted, guys. I think "Deal with The Dark Lord" is  pitch accurate in it, but "Captives" was a mistake. The pitch is ok in the AE. Then, no more samples until an entire update... That will avoid "unavoidable" mistakes.

... So JediTray, yes you were right: the retakes are W.I.P for now.

Okay.  I'll delete the retakes and keep the AE intact then until you say otherwise.  :)

- UPDATE & UPGRADE -



Having some free time I took almost all of the AE back these days and after all the work I did I never thought there was so much possible remaining...

Overall:

EQs: I used this time a 20Khz parametric equalizator to handle the remaining brillance of many of the session mixes (layered or not) in the high freqs. It restored in the same time the dynamic range a little further... or more.

Balance: something I'd call a stereo conflict always bugged me in the layered tracks. Indeed I neglected the different balance settings between the session mixes and the album mixes, as I neglected to see how to fully explore the complementarity of these pairs of stereo. If you thought the layered tracks were incredible...
Another balance matter was about some mistakes I made myself. I restored all this fitting the closer as possible to the film version mixing as I learned to appreciate. The NPR Radio Drama excerpts were of a great help to do that for being very close to the film mixing. And I also found a couple of further corrections I hadn't managed before.

Obviously, everything sounds still better to me now, not to say at maximum quality (for these sources of course).

CD1:

1.  - re EQs (Main Title Only)
2.  - re Bal + re EQs
3.  - re EQs
4.  - re Bal + re EQs
5.  - re EQs
6.  - re EQs
7.  - re Bal
8.  ---
9.  - re EQs
10. ---
11. re EQs
12. re EQs
13. ---
14. Pitch/speed restored
15. Remixing: Jedi Master Revealed is now the film mix (instead of the SE remix) + RSO layer + Pitch correction on the wohole Mynock cave part & completion with the high dynamic range Radio Drama bit (thrilling part 1)
16. - re Bal. replaced with CD3 version. CD3 will have a louder synth layer.
17. - re Bal + re EQs
18. - light speed and pitch correction possible (not decided yet... a light one but a tough one!) Edit: Done & bit accurate
19. - re Bal + re EQs
20. - remixing (session mixes in the midle of the track)

 

CD2:

1.  - re Bal. Replacement with the CD3 EQ version not decided yet.
2. ---
3. - re EQ (first time since the OE3 !)
4. - re Bal + re EQs
5. - re Bal + re EQs
6. - Entirely redone - re Bal + re EQs + speed / pitch correction, against the Radio Drama + checked against the film.
7. - re EQs --- + Alt version
8. - re EQs     + Alt edit
9. - re Bal - replaced with CD3 version
10. - replaced with CD3 version
11. partial/short re Bal.
12. - re Bal. replaced with CD3 version
13. ---
14. ---
15. ---
16. ---
17. ---
18. Remixed.
19. --- (maybe out)
20. --- (maybe out)
21. --- (maybe out) + new version of the complete "Space Slug" on CD3.
22. Now on CD3. Possible improvement of the Alt March part.


+ Alternate tracks (on an alternate set ?) with further restoration thanks to the higher dynamic range free parts I had from the NPR Radio Drama (thanks man!)...
I have in the idea to reedit the whole new set, why not like the SE did with suites. It would avoid confusions between the AE 1st version and the upgraded version.

... What about an "Imperial Edition" ?...

Thanks for the update and let me/us know when it's available.  :)

With these fixes, would it be safe to say that the AE, as it stands now, should be deleted in favor of this new collection?

JediTray said:

Thanks for the update and let me/us know when it's available.  :)

With these fixes, would it be safe to say that the AE, as it stands now, should be deleted in favor of this new collection?

... I said:

I have in the idea to reedit the whole new set, why not like the SE did with suites. It would avoid confusions between the AE 1st version and the upgraded version.

... What about an "Imperial Edition" ?...

... Perhaps an alternate set is a good option, as I said not to confuse these.

I kind of like, The Ultimate Sith Edition.

Hey A B C, my factory sealed TESB RSO double LP arrived today!

JediTray said:

Hey A B C, my factory sealed TESB RSO double LP arrived today!

Nerfherder (aka 7FN) got one sealed too.

But well done ;)

*** SPECIAL (personal but not private) REQUEST ***

AVP,

May you please - at least - mention the original uploader/maker of the "Audiophile Edition" + the original topic (or OT.com) in the place where you present  my work. The way you've done it gives the feeling that it fell from the sky...

Also I'm glad that Builditup who I thank very much have steped in "your" topic to show his respect and credit for such an effort, what seems so far to be totally out of your capability of understanding for the moment, considering what I read from you here (=nothing). Beside I saw you were congratulated for the "effort" (yeah I've read that), what was kind of amusing in a way.


The current topic here has become interesting justly thanks to real feedbacks, which let everyone know that it is not just "another" edit that is presented here. The "feedbacks" I read in your parallel topic don't give an idea at all of what the resulting experience of this set may be - so we don't know if it is really worth to get, or if it is a serious work.

Keep in mind that I'm not payed, not rewarded or whatever for this, and that to share such pieces around is a personal choice and not an obligation. My best motivation to do this is the effort (?) of communication you can make of your own. Ask to msycamore: when I posted new samples for the AE after the OE, there was no feedbacks for weeks and I almost decided to stop thinking of any upload. Indeed, no word for a thread viewed 5000 times can be very very frustrating... When it finally prooves there was a lot expectations.

I also read that a few people were frustrated because they feared I'd finally share this so privately that they wouldn't never find the AE... Once again: why didn't they log and step in and share their enthusiasm instead of excluding themselves ? I don't force anyone to be my friend and I don't care: but please just speak when you're interested or when you enjoy the free work from someone.

I'm glad many persons have got the idea and shared a few words here: you can thank every single one of them for having this restoration available ! ;)


Do you hear what I say ?

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Oh, and thanks for the shot... I even haven't had the chance to print these for myself yet.

you've got 5 or 6 topics for your covers around my AE covers thread, you customised the arts from the AE for yourself and you don't want to let us see that ?...  I'm glad to see a part of these arts in situation at last.

Thank you.

Sorry then. I must have checked it too fast. However it would have been the least to point this place at OT.Com instead of copying the whole detail elsewhere. I saw many asked what was that and where it came from + they won't never step here to share their feelings... Though, it's true a bunch of members here around won't never tell me since they hate me for having played with their fear not to release this... I must be asking too much from them... Ironical!

That was only one point in my post though... Please read it again ;) and learn the difference between "to have", and "to be".

I'm a bit confused here (yeah go figure).

A B C, are you going to be REPLACING tracks on the AE that you are not satisfied with, or are you planning on making a whole new edition?

On the whole, I REALLY dig the AE, and I hope that you are just going to offer replacement tracks for it, rather than making a whole new release.  To me, when something is the Audiophile Edition, it should be the final, all inclusive, ultimate version to have.  It would be a shame to render the AE as obsolete.

Be sure I hear you JediTray.

... Now that I saw the AE has leaked around here and there, I'm certainly gonna watch after more feedbacks before taking any decision...

That said, I will sure use the new improved material especially for D_J's DVD. ;)

Fair enough ?

(edit) Also thing is the whole AE would be to reupload as you probably noticed. In the other hand, the IE I'm assembling by now proposes a great alternate set... The AE wouldn' t be as obsolete as you say besides, notably because you have all the tracks without crossfading. You can't have the best of two worlds ! You would just consider it like the "sister" fixed edition of the AE and build a bigger box for yourself... And don't worry, I forbid myself thinking about a UE ! lol

Okay, well, I think I'll just hang on to the AE in it's entirety until you say otherwise, A B C.  :)

I think that soundtrack has already gone beyond all expectations anyway, even mine. ;)

But if you had the chance to grab the last samples I took back, I say: you have to replace "Deal With The Dark Lord". The pitch/speed correction on it was above 1%, wich is relatively important, the balance is ok and the EQs are good enough, better than on the actual AE (+ the sample is not re or rather say desynchronized, what was a mistake). Just compare yourself...

To avoid any confusion, I am just going to wait until you have "final" versions of the tracks you want to replace, then I will integrate them into my copy of the AE.  Just to be safe.

There can't be any confusion. I said it: the entire AE would be replaced. I'd recommand you keep version 1 though for you get a precise idea of the improvements / differences.

This won't happen before a time however for the reasons I said, and also because having released 4 versions (OE/AE) in a very tight space of time, I think it is better to let you appreciate its evolution.

A B C said:

That said, I will sure use the new improved material especially for D_J's DVD. ;)

Speaking of which, this is a sample of what I had in mind, I think this is what ABC wants to do as well, it is a clip of ESB in Black & White with a track from ABC's AE, it was put together fast just to see if this is the direction we wnated to go in.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1hg6i6

lee.lethal said:

That CD case looks amazing...

 

Indeed, Avp used the sleeves for his covers what looks nice.

I still like that one though:

And I love CD3 backcover ;)

Wow, can we get some hi-rez of these?

JediTray said:

Wow, can we get some hi-rez of these?

Just check the AE files ! You've got almost 100mb of high res arts, all made from high res doc.

(Tell me, how can you miss what is included in the set?)

Oops, I thought they were new for some reason and not the ones that were included.  My bad.

I don't know how much time you invested in this project, but let me tell you every single second of it was worth it. I own all the versions that you used to make this definitive collection and what can I say other than 'stunning'. I commend you sir for all the fans and new listeners abroad, thank you. You do justice in a world that sorely needs it.