timdiggerm said: Folks can argue about the changes, the newly composited lasers, etc, but the basic premise, that Adywan is color-correcting the films so they look how they looked, how they ought to look is 100% right.
It is great to hear a new and informed report on the accuracy of the color correction. Welcome! :-)
Well thanks! Like I said, what I saw didn't perfectly match Ady's work.... but the Star Destroyer was slightly red in what I saw, and that's probably not right either. So, Ady's probably spot on.
Correct Frink. Serves me right for zipping between threads...
Twas a lame idea anyhowz...
Er, what is this doing in the ANH:R thread? I think you want the ESB and ROTJ wishlist.
I've only just discovered this edit, and it's a fantastic job - well done to Adywan!
I particularly like the new Death Star reveal, the extend TIE fighter shots, and a myriad of wee things that I'd never thought of at the time but think "Yes, of course, why didn't I notice before?" e.g. the Falcon shooting back! The magic of that scene is that it makes it look like the TIEs are indeed chasing the Falcon, rather than how it appears in the original that the Falcon has come to a stop.
The extended Alderaan destruction is almost perfect (it would be perfect if ILM did it properly), with Bail on the planet and the crust ripping itself apart. I thought it was a shame GL never did a proper Alderaan scene like that for the DVDs of Bail looking up in terror - helping provide another link between the PT and the OT.
Oh, and of course the fixed lightsabers... thank goodness!!!
Now, if there was only some way of making Darth Vader sound as deep and menacing as he does in TESB/ROTJ!!
Don't agree with everything though, the Obi-wan & Luke chat somehow feels wrong now (even though Luke's exclamation of "You fought in the Clone Wars" does make more sense now).
Likewise the lazer needle thingy on the torture droid is needless, needles are scary enough as it is!! (In fact I blame this scene for my childhood fear of needles...)
Also, not sure the music suits the Vader/Obi-wan battle. But not sure anything could be done without restaging that entire fight and making it more emotionally impacting...
And the TIE reveal during the battle at the end needs more panic and chatter from the Rebel fighters - like the "I'm hit" "You've got one on your tail!" - it's too quiet otherwise. Add that in and the sequence would be perfect!
If I can be forgiven a beg... I would have loved the Death Star reveal, or the ships chasing the Falcon from Tatooine to have been Venator Star Destroyers. Yes, they'd be 20 years old, but look at the average age of the ships in any nation's navy here. Indeed airforce as well. It's not inconceivable (actually it would've been better to have had Imperial Star Destroyers in ROTS, but that was not to be).
Anyway, it would merely have been a quick cameo to give a visual link back to ROTS.
So I had a go... hope you like!
This is just my honest opinion, but I don't think any of those Old Republic starships from Episodes 2 and 3 would have been necessary for ANH:R. For one thing, Tarkin says during the briefing that "The last remnants of the old Republic had been swept away," and any vessel from the Clone Wars would be considered remnants of the old Republic. Starships and Trooper army most likely underwent changes for this reason. Also, Episode 4 already has plenty of links to Episode 3. Luke and Obi-Wan's discussions on Tatooine are a good example, as well as the few but comprehensive mentions of the Senate.
And about the Alderaan explosion, I think Lucasfilms did do an appropriate job of it. The explosion should be instantaneous.
Please to meet you Cyberbeagle and glad you liked ANH:R.
Vader sounds more like his later self in the DVD-9 version.
As to the images you posted, why don't you edit your previous post and reduce the size by half so we get the general ideal at first glance and we can click on them to see the full sized version.
As it seems very unlikely that Ady will be making further adjustments to ANH:R you may want to post your suggestions on the ANH:SE Redux Ideas Thread too.
G E Predator said:
This is just my honest opinion, but I don't think any of those Old Republic starships from Episodes 2 and 3 would have been necessary for ANH:R. For one thing, Tarkin says during the briefing that "The last remnants of the old Republic had been swept away," and any vessel from the Clone Wars would be considered remnants of the old Republic. Starships and Trooper army most likely underwent changes for this reason. Also, Episode 4 already has plenty of links to Episode 3. Luke and Obi-Wan's discussions on Tatooine are a good example, as well as the few but comprehensive mentions of the Senate.
And about the Alderaan explosion, I think Lucasfilms did do an appropriate job of it. The explosion should be instantaneous.
What I assumed by that statement was that was *institutionally*... the army, navy and the stormtroopers are very obviously inherited from the Republic.
Bingowings said:
Please to meet you Cyberbeagle and glad you liked ANH:R.
Vader sounds more like his later self in the DVD-9 version.
As to the images you posted, why don't you edit your previous post and reduce the size by half so we get the general ideal at first glance and we can click on them to see the full sized version.
As it seems very unlikely that Ady will be making further adjustments to ANH:R you may want to post your suggestions on the ANH:SE Redux Ideas Thread too.
Thanks! Have redone that! :)
Cyberbeagle said:
G E Predator said:
This is just my honest opinion, but I don't think any of those Old Republic starships from Episodes 2 and 3 would have been necessary for ANH:R. For one thing, Tarkin says during the briefing that "The last remnants of the old Republic had been swept away," and any vessel from the Clone Wars would be considered remnants of the old Republic. Starships and Trooper army most likely underwent changes for this reason. Also, Episode 4 already has plenty of links to Episode 3. Luke and Obi-Wan's discussions on Tatooine are a good example, as well as the few but comprehensive mentions of the Senate.
And about the Alderaan explosion, I think Lucasfilms did do an appropriate job of it. The explosion should be instantaneous.
What I assumed by that statement was that was *institutionally*... the army, navy and the stormtroopers are very obviously inherited from the Republic.
Yes, they were, an the statement was probably institution. Also, I think that after Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader, he didn't want to have all those reminders of his old life: The senate, the republic vessels, etc. Any reminder of who Vader used to be is also a reminder of Padme, and I'm sure the Emperor didn't want Vader to continue to obsess over his greatest lost.
^I really don't think Palpatine would replace fleets of ships just to avoid upsetting Vader in fact I think he would get a few chuckles out of rubbing salt into those old wounds at every possible situation to keep the guy burning with rage.
Realistically the ships would have just become obsolete over time as new ships replaced them.
Even over the course of the OT we saw the Empire adding new fighters and making small adjustments to their capital ships.
If the Rebels hadn't stopped them they'd probably have a Death Star for each province and expanded the Empire out further.
Bingowings said:
^I really don't think Palpatine would replace fleets of ships just to avoid upsetting Vader in fact I think he would get a few chuckles out of rubbing salt into those old wounds at every possible situation to keep the guy burning with rage.
Realistically the ships would have just become obsolete over time as new ships replaced them.
Even over the course of the OT we saw the Empire adding new fighters and making small adjustments to their capital ships.
If the Rebels hadn't stopped them they'd probably have a Death Star for each province and expanded the Empire out further.
It was just one explanation. I also mentioned before that the old Republic vessels were remodeled into the Imperial Stardestroyers to remove any remnants of the old Republic.
Actually, on reflection, while I would still like it... a version of those images would have worked VERY well for the end of Episode 3... One Imperial Star Destroyer flanked by two Venator escorts...
I suggested a similar idea on The Prequel Radical Redux thread.
Having a transitional time wipe (like the celebration scenes at the end of ROTJ:SE) so that the Death Star construction scene at the end of ROTS could be shunted nearer to the ANH timeline.
Since I am absolutely insane and had nothing better to do, I went to the Death Star attack and counted the number of Rebel ships that took part in the assault and how many were shot down.
Initial shot in Yavin IV flyby: 30 or 31 (Approx 8 Y-Wings [some are too blurry to see])
Adywan's descent: 28 or 29 by my count (8 Y-Wings)
Number of ships according to Wookieepedia: 32 (22 X-Wing, 8 Y-Wing, 2 "Spearheads" [A-Wing prototype, not shown in film but in one of the games])
Total shot down in combat (Only counted are visible deaths. If the explosion is already taking place when the shot changes, then it doesn't count unless a TIE Fighter can be seen alread firing or flying to suggest it shot down a Rebel craft): 18 (5 are Y-Wings [3 in trench, 2 in dogfight])
Looks like Adywan got the number spot on and didn't exceed the body count in the extended dog fight scenes! 28-32 ships is perfectly reasonable to expect since I always saw the Imperial officer's "We count 30 Rebel ships" as a quick approximation. Most people would subconsciously round to the nearest 5s or 10s number instead of prattling off "We count 28 ships" or "We count 31 ships." It just sounds more natural.
Love the revisit.
I don't agree with the prequel music during the duel or the rearranging of the dialog in Obi-Wan's house either, but that's what the Purist Edition is for. :)
I'm still holding out hope that a DVD-9 of the PE may see the light of day.
Other than that, ANH:R is worth the watch and an absolute joy to watch, no matter what version. It's just so nice to see things fixed!
Theoretically, I guess it would be possible to take the DVD-9 footage and add in the Purist footage where necessary. But that's certainly beyond my technical skills.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Erik is right. The visuals could all be pulled from the DVD9 and the audio from the PURIST DVD5, then rearrange the video to match the audio. Tada, PURIST DVD9!
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Well, there are a few visual differences. Like Ben's Hut, the Death Star reveal, and the TIE attack at Yavin. For these, you'd need the Purist video as well.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Erikstormtrooper said:
Well, there are a few visual differences. Like Ben's Hut, the Death Star reveal, and the TIE attack at Yavin. For these, you'd need the Purist video as well.
The Purist was made from the ANH:R master so the visuals are all the same but edited differently. For Ben's hut you may need to use my EPIV AVCHD for a couple of shots that were trimmed or the purist (the quality difference for that 1 scene wouldn't be noticable at all). You would be able to make a DVD-9 Purist from the DVD-9 of ANH:R
Yeah, what he said. :)
Got to love this review someone just gave ANH:R over at fanedit.org :)
damez2000 says:
I gave this edit a low rating because it was almost the same as the original. Sure, many good effects were put in such as adding extra tie fighters and making the lightsaber blue instead of a greenish tint. But, it wasnt enough to warrant a rating over 5 stars. The changes seemed to be merely touch-ups to the original.
The audio was good. The video was good. The cuts were seamless. I just dont think there was enough work put in to give more than 5 stars. A good example of a great edit would be Terminator 3: The coming storm, done by Uncanny Antman. Im a huuggge star wars fan and this didnt cut it for me. If the star rating is based on my opinion and liking of the edit, then I did what was asked of me.
I posted about this on the forum there and it reminded me we never got an answer about getting the Purist Edition on fanedit.info. I'll let everyone know when I hear back...
damez2000 says:
I gave this edit a low rating because it was almost the same as the original. Sure, many good effects were put in such as adding extra tie fighters and making the lightsaber blue instead of a greenish tint. But, it wasnt enough to warrant a rating over 5 stars. The changes seemed to be merely touch-ups to the original.
The audio was good. The video was good. The cuts were seamless. I just dont think there was enough work put in to give more than 5 stars. A good example of a great edit would be Terminator 3: The coming storm, done by Uncanny Antman. Im a huuggge star wars fan and this didnt cut it for me. If the star rating is based on my opinion and liking of the edit, then I did what was asked of me.
For a huuggge Star Wars fan, he mustn't have paid much attention to the original movie or to Ady's edit, if all he noticed were a few tie fighters & 'touch-ups'.
It's quite sad really that this poor person doesn't really know what he's talking about.
J
On the other hand, it shows that Adywan has done one thing he set out to do — clean up the movie, rather than make changes for their own sake. It's a shame the guy didn't seem to appreciate the amount of work that went in, but on the flip side it shows that the vast majority of Ady's changes are just that seamless.
My words, your post.RoccondilRinon said:
On the other hand, it shows that Adywan has done one thing he set out to do — clean up the movie, rather than make changes for their own sake. It's a shame the guy didn't seem to appreciate the amount of work that went in, but on the flip side it shows that the vast majority of Ady's changes are just that seamless.
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