cutnshut said:
Ok lets argue!
In ESB there is no certainty that Darth Vader is Lukes Father - In the original theatrical movie which is the only version that counts untill, Adywan releases his!. There is no character development of Darth Vader happening off screen or otherwise... as a character he just wasnt designed like that - he is purely a villain - he starts off a villain and he ends a villain. All the crawl says about Luke and Vader is that "Vader is obssessed with finding Luke Skywalker" nothing else..... During the conversation with the Emperor, Vader never refers to Luke as his son. (remember at this point, all the audience knows is that Anakin Skywalker was killed by Darth Vader).
During the fight with Luke....he tells Luke hes his son....but i dont think anyone really believed that untill return of the jedi was made. So i wouldnt call it proper character development. It is certainly character Development for Luke because what Vader say's has some emotional impact on him.....but Vader is unchanged by anythning that happens here.
previously i said that Darth Vader's character development is him being redeemed.
But now i think his whole character development for Vader begins - when Luke surrenders to the imps and they are brought together again. Then Vaders character does start to change....
What the audience knows or doesn't know is totally irrelevant to the characters. While I truly do believe that Lucas was making up shit as he went along, as of ESB, Vader is Luke's father, and all of his actions in that film are motivated by that. At the beginning of that film, it's clear he already knows, which means that he would have had to have learned this at some point in between the first two films.
I find it funny you're arguing with me about this considering the only reason I brought this point was because I was supporting your earlier statement: Vader had no character development in ESB because if there was any development it would have had to have happened beforehand.
I'm not saying this is necessarily the case. The knowledge might not have affected him in the slightest at this point. But I admit I do find it a bit baffling that you seem to think it has anything to do with what the audience is aware of at any given time, as if Vader realized that Luke was his son at the same time the audience was given that information (ie, through Vader saying it!).