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Originally posted by: jimbo
Yes but all major Star Wars villians up to this point have been either human or humanoid. I like the idea of having a completly bizare looking creature as not just a dumb animal but a intellegent character. I think that Grevious will be great. Episode 3 will rock.


What about Vader? He's a cyborg just like Grievous. Or Jabba?

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jabbas a worm, no cyborg.
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does he really have 4 lightsabers? sounds kinda lame imo. it's like in ep1 they thought: what would be cooler than a lightsaber fight? a fight with a double-sided lightsaber!! and how can we top that in ep3: a quadruple lightsaber!! ka-ching ka-ching!
actually, the darth maul fight was great but they should have left it with that.

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Actually, Grevious can only use three lightsabers because he has to reserve one limb to stand up.

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im looking forward to seeing him in action from what im hearing. only makes sense though. a double bladed couldnt do it, then we build bigger and more... reminds me of the USA in some ways...
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True Jabba is a non-humaniod villian but he really is not to major. He just a lazy slug. Grevious is a awsome villian that can fight. He handed those Jedi there heads. He is one tough mother fucker.
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Jabba is arguable the third biggest villian of the OT! He only shows up in ROTj but he is tlked about and looms as a threat to han throughout the trilogy, which is just as much as the emperor to Luke.

Sure he didn't have a fight scene, but who cares, Han never had a fight scene doesn't make him less of a character. SW is quickly being reduced to an intergalactic WWF

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Actually, Grevious can only use three lightsabers because he has to reserve one limb to stand up.



No his arms split in two so he actually has four arms, each of which can weild a saber. Whether he uses his feet to hold one in the movie has not been mentioned, so I guess technically he could use five at once.

But he does use four sabers when he fights Obi-wan on Utapau, you can see how the arms are designed to split in this picture:




here's a rendering of GG's vehicle if anyone cares:

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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
Sure he didn't have a fight scene, but who cares, Han never had a fight scene doesn't make him less of a character. SW is quickly being reduced to an intergalactic WWF

Ah ah ah. Tsk tsk. It's WWE. Remember? WWF is the World Wildlife Foundation.

Curiosity question that may have already been answered at some point or another... is Grievous officially considered Sith or is he just another random baddie thrown in the PT mix?
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Rebel Scumb that better not have been a fucking spoiler. I am going Spoiler free for Episode 3. It is rude and nasty to drop spoilers on people without warning. Next time you have a spoiler please drop a warning.

If Grevious had a jet pack he could float and hold all four lightsabers.
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Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
does he really have 4 lightsabers? sounds kinda lame imo. it's like in ep1 they thought: what would be cooler than a lightsaber fight? a fight with a double-sided lightsaber!! and how can we top that in ep3: a quadruple lightsaber!! ka-ching ka-ching!
actually, the darth maul fight was great but they should have left it with that.


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I thought I had read somewhere that Grivious' forearms can split at the elbow, giving him 4 forearms and 4 hands. I could be wrong about what I read, or the rumor could be wrong itself.
If it is correct, a 4 saber fight would not be out of the realm of possibility.
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Wasn't Maul's double bladed saber and Anakin fighting double fisted in AOTC enough? Now we need a four-forearmed robot with four sabers?!? Next thing we know, they actually will have crotch-activated sabers like in Spaceballs.
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lol!
and also: don't you need the force to be able to effectively use a lightsaber? can a droid then use the force?
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We've had that argument before on this site and I'm still not completely happy with the answer. It was in reference to Maul using a lightsaber when he is not a Jedi (former Jedi, etc.). I think the decision was that, because he was a Sith apprentice, he could still wield one. However, Grievous is a robot (android, whatever), so how do you justify that one. He's not a living being or anything like that. I dunno. I so 'fused.
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that with darth maul never ocurred to me, imo a sith is the same than a jedi and can do the same stuff, they just fight for different sides. and Lucas is really destroying the myth of the force. in ep1 with those midichlorians (sp?) and now in ep3 by letting a droid use lightsabers. it isn't that mysterious anymore if you consider that even a toaster could use the force...
and how could a droid have midichlorians???
getting confused too...
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Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
lol!
and also: don't you need the force to be able to effectively use a lightsaber? can a droid then use the force?

The way I look at it is this:
Wielding a lightsaber is similar to wielding a sword. (The difference is in the balance of the weapon. The Lightsaber's blade has no weight to it).
Anyone can "use" a lightsaber. Hey, anyone can probably fight with a lightsaber, provided their target was either inanimate, motionless, or at the most, non-force sensitive. Even then, they run the risk of hurting themselves as much, if not more than their target.
A trained Jedi with a lightsaber, though, will cut a non-force sensitive down in a heartbeat.

To effectively use a lightsaber, it takes precise movement and timing. The Force allows Jedi to have that precision, and fight with a high level of speed. I think we saw this in the Maul duel in the end of EP1.

Along the same lines, a droid with the proper programming, motor system, actuators, etc. would be able to have precise movement, timing and high speed.

Summary: I do not see the Force as a prerequisite for using a lightsaber. But having the Force (or cybornetically enhanced speed and timing) would allow one to excel with it.
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i accept your explanation, but i think that a droid, even if especially enhanced to fight lightsaber duels, would stand no chance against a jedi master. and if yes, then it would be really disppointing becuase it would show that the force is not what it is cracked up to be if a machine can be more powerful. i think i just can't imagine a droid with a lightsaber...
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Originally posted by: starkiller
Summary: I do not see the Force as a prerequisite for using a lightsaber. But having the Force (or cybornetically enhanced speed and timing) would allow one to excel with it.

I do see it as a prerequisite. Hence, Obi Wan's explanation to Luke in ANH that the lightsaber is a weapon of the Jedi, "an elegant weapon from a more civilized era." To me, the Force is a prerequisite to use it. Yes, Han did use it in ESB, but I always imagined him having some semblance of the Force within him. Just in very small amounts and his obstinance toward accepting the Force as a legitimate thing is the reason it never developed further within him.

Maul has the Force, but he is a henchman of the Sith. Not a legitimate Jedi Knight (fallen knight, etc.) and he never was. I also always saw lightsabers as being something that can only be used by organic beings. For example, I don't think C-3PO would be able to use it. Not just use it effectively, but use it at all.
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Curiosity question that may have already been answered at some point or another... is Grievous officially considered Sith or is he just another random baddie thrown in the PT mix?


As far as I know he's just a normal baddie, and alien cyborg who is a master strategist and adept at using sabers, but has no force powers. It could turn out that he does, but I have not heard anything to make me think he does.


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Rebel Scumb that better not have been a fucking spoiler. I am going Spoiler free for Episode 3. It is rude and nasty to drop spoilers on people without warning. Next time you have a spoiler please drop a warning.

If Grevious had a jet pack he could float and hold all four lightsabers.


First of all jimbo try to keep your swearing under control, you've been warned before.

Secondly, this is a General Grievous thread. Grievous is himself a spoiler so it seems unlikely that we can talk about him without this stuff coming up, anymore then having a thread about darth maul in 1998 could really avoid talking about his double sided saber.

I'm not going out of my way to spill stuff, I didn't mention how or by whom GG dies. But someone brought up the four sabers and so I was just clarifying their question.

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Originally posted by: Bossk
We've had that argument before on this site and I'm still not completely happy with the answer. It was in reference to Maul using a lightsaber when he is not a Jedi (former Jedi, etc.). I think the decision was that, because he was a Sith apprentice, he could still wield one. However, Grievous is a robot (android, whatever), so how do you justify that one. He's not a living being or anything like that. I dunno. I so 'fused.


well IMHo anyone who can weild a sword can weild a saber. Its a piece of technology, and follows the same logic as a sword.

Afterall Han used a saber in ESB

The jedi can use them better then an average person because of their knowledge of the force they have great instincts and can anticipate their opponents moves.

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Wielding a lightsaber is similar to wielding a sword. (The difference is in the balance of the weapon. The Lightsaber's blade has no weight to it).


Interestingly enough, Mark Hamill said in a recent webchat that he and Bob Anderson always wanted to do crazy saber twirls and one handed style fighting in the OT (similar to what we see in the PT duels) but that the word from Lucas was always "its heavy, its like excalibur, you can't swing it around like that it takes a lot of effort because of the weight". But this logic seems to have been abandon in the PT.

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But this logic seems to have been abandon in the PT.

As has most of the OT logic in the PT.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
We've had that argument before on this site and I'm still not completely happy with the answer. It was in reference to Maul using a lightsaber when he is not a Jedi (former Jedi, etc.). I think the decision was that, because he was a Sith apprentice, he could still wield one. However, Grievous is a robot (android, whatever), so how do you justify that one. He's not a living being or anything like that. I dunno. I so 'fused.



in what thread did you have this arugment?

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Originally posted by: Shimraa
(...) Did Darth Maul look like a starwars villain. At first, not really, he looked like freak from a marvel comic. Did he make a cool villian, yes, and did he work out yes.
Exqueeze me?? Darth Maul sucked ass. All the villains in Ep.1 and 2 were quite pathetic so far. That includes Maul who did not "work out" for me.

So, leave everybody to their own opinion and stop insulting them!

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I would say that Darth maul was right on the edge of what could be considered "starwarsy"

Darth maul is about as "cool" as I like my Sw to get.
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Whatever you say.

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I didn't say you can't post spoilers. Just warn people about them. Also since Grevious is in the Clone Wars cartoons he is no longer a spoiler. The Clone Wars cartoons are not spoilers. Also Han had plenty of fight scenes just not with lightsabers.