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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 99

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Dude. That's crazy talk.

Hmmm. Interesting...

I will say this: the end of the movie SOTDS needs to complete the love story. We can't just leave Padme in the sand getting picked up by a clone.  

So what is an alternate kissy-face ending?

 

BTW: I think TM should lose the clone dialogue as he arrives to help Padme. The scene reads fine without it and the music carries the content anyway. I think the voice can't really work as well as imagining what the voice is like or what's being said.  Anyone else have an opinion? I think this would be a small, easy, but valuable change.

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Crazy thought, but what if we have the 'roll in the hay' scene from the middle of the movie and move that to the end?  They return to Naboo anyway, right?

This is an interesting idea... but if you want to look at it big picture, do we really want Luke Skywalker to be an illegitimate child?

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Sluggo said:

Crazy thought, but what if we have the 'roll in the hay' scene from the middle of the movie and move that to the end?  They return to Naboo anyway, right?

This is an interesting idea... but if you want to look at it big picture, do we really want Luke Skywalker to be an illegitimate child?

the film could end just as anakin falls off the giant tick and plays dead. *cliff hanger*

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i'd like an ending silmilar to the original clone wars series opener, with anakin leaving in his jedi starfighter, and the sky being filled with triangular star destroyers. padme stands sadly at the window watching him depart.

it could give a greater contrast of the departure at the end of SOTDS to the return at the beginning of ROTS. of course they would be meeting up shortly before to get all impregnated and such.

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MTHaslett said:

Dude. That's crazy talk.

Hmmm. Interesting...

I will say this: the end of the movie SOTDS needs to complete the love story. We can't just leave Padme in the sand getting picked up by a clone.  

So what is an alternate kissy-face ending?

 

BTW: I think TM should lose the clone dialogue as he arrives to help Padme. The scene reads fine without it and the music carries the content anyway. I think the voice can't really work as well as imagining what the voice is like or what's being said.  Anyone else have an opinion? I think this would be a small, easy, but valuable change.

 

Well, we already have a kiss scene on Geonosis... Could be interesting if that's the first kiss, and then you could use the shot from Naboo where they kiss as the final shot... Slow down, and the go to credits.

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brash_stryker said:

MTHaslett said:

To remove 3p0 from the story, all we need to do visually is remove him from the interior space ship shots as Anakin and Padme decide to rescue Kenobi.

After that, I think we can cut around his shots entirely. As far as I recall, we only see him again on the same space ship telling R2 that he won't be going out to help save Anakin.

 

If we re-dub the grey, sun-baked protocol droid at Owen's farm with a robotic voice that is clearly NOT Anthony Daniels then he can simply be one of the droids on the farm. He can be at the funeral and even say the line, "He's carrying a message from an Obi Wan Kenobi. Does that name mean anything to you?"  It may work better coming from a different voice anyway.

Just saying. Not a big deal because TM has already made 3p0 so small in the movie that he almost causes no  pain. The biggest problem he poses in SOTDS is in attempting to un-do the idea that Anakin built 3p0. If we eliminate 3p0 altogether, it also makes this ambition possible. A new TPM edit could be done which eliminates 3p0 from that movie too. Hmm.

Have you seen the latest video from my edit? That's exactly what I've done, though it's not subtitled yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFqCjOuncI

And in regards to seeing him on the ship, it's easy to cut him out from him relaying the message from R2 onwards.

 As much as i agree to redub c3po i don't think it should be a different language. Not to sound insulting but its stupid having and robot with a different language, they wouldnt do it. Im sure there as some other droid voices from different films and stuff to maybe construct a complete new sentence. something along the lines of:

Droid: hello, how may i be of service?

Anakin: I've come to see my mother

Droid hesitates

Droid: Please follow me

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Isn't it in TESB, widely regarded as the best of the trilogy, we hear a protocol droid saying "etchuda"? ;)

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c3P0 is fluent in how many languages? Everyone in Star Wars is multi-lingual and that's just part of the landscape.

I wouldn't object to anything you're suggesting DuTwan.  I especially like how brief your dialogue is. I just don't think you're right that the droid would have to speak english. That's not what's seen in the movies.

The bottom line is that the ultimate product should feel a part of the original production. Getting voice talent that's good enough is not easy so Lucasfilm sound is always preferable to under-par voice work if it's do-able.

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Thinking on this a minute, the droid is going to look so much like 3p0 that it had better have some seriously non-3p0 dialogue.

Like that "etchuda" moment in ESB-- the moment this droid talks we need to know it ain't who we might think it is.

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ben_danger said:

i'd like an ending silmilar to the original clone wars series opener, with anakin leaving in his jedi starfighter, and the sky being filled with triangular star destroyers. padme stands sadly at the window watching him depart.

it could give a greater contrast of the departure at the end of SOTDS to the return at the beginning of ROTS. of course they would be meeting up shortly before to get all impregnated and such.

 Exactly as I've been thinking. Plus, this way the movie could end in space...kind of like ESB...hmm...

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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no idea. annoyingly we don't see anakin in a fighter at all. i was wondering if elements could be cobbled from these sources ( SSWR?;) )

i. a close up of anakin's face from when obi wan asks about his dreams (sad face, peering down) this could be combined with a cockpit background.

ii. then we would need a jedi fighter taking off, which could be created, or stolen from the deleted scenes. perhaps even at a long shot from the CG clone wars as a workprint.

iia (also padme expectantly watching him from a window could be sourced from ROTS)

iii. which would then be mixed with the clone army ending scene, but without the senators, and the foreboding music. this whole experience should reflect a positive - "liberators of the galaxy" feel. so lots of jedi and clones leaving.

iv. the fleet would all assemble in space possibly, though i'd like it finish with the golden sky filled with triangles.

what music would people think fit best? i was wondering if it could be the ending music from A New Hope, or is anyone familiar with the ending of Ben-Hur?

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It might be possible to compose some shots using Anakin in the speeder from nearer the beginning of the film and footage of Obi-Wan's cockpit and head-set to create the sort of ending just described.

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All this new ending talk sounds awfully complex in terms of making new stuff. I don't see the big problem with the wedding as an ending.

Sure, the concept of Anakin and Padme not getting married is interesting. But it leads to a sticky spot, especially in the next movie when she's suddenly pregnant. This movie is supposed to appeal to kids on some level, after all.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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but i think thats the very "ITS A TRAP!" that Ack....George Lucas fell into. As soon as you apply real-world ethics to a fantasy world ... it pulls you out again (well it does me anyway, granted i dont speak for everyone...yet, i am working on that muhahaha!).....what was i saying oh......zzzzzzzzzzzzz carp!

You can never go home again, but i guess you can shop there.

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Could it be established that Anakin and Padme have actually kept in touch over the ten years and once they meet up again in AOTC they realize that they are meant for each other?

If something to this effect could be pulled off convincingly, then you *could* have them get married on Naboo after a few of the love scenes. Anakin could then have the dream about his mother and the movie could go foward from there. So Anakin and Padme would be a married couple through the rest of the movie. You could then show Anakin leaving with all of the other troops and whatnot at the end.

I don't know if I like the idea...or if it could be accomplished...just a thought

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

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Couldn't disagree more, cutnshut.  Star Wars is totally dependent on "real world ethics" -- the concept of Knights being defenders of the galaxy is completely and totally out of the same set of cultural ideas and ethics that would say a father should be married and that your word is your bond etc.

If Jedi Knights can be trusted to protect worlds and someone as ethical and dependable as Han Solo is supposed to represent someone who deals with the seedier side of things-- then the Galaxy of Star Wars is an even more upright society than the "real world".

 

All to say, I guess, that I vote to stick to the wedding ending (without 3p0). It is what we have footage for and time enough to create. One thing to remember is TM can't spend much time on this.

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SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Could it be established that Anakin and Padme have actually kept in touch over the ten years and once they meet up again in AOTC they realize that they are meant for each other?

If something to this effect could be pulled off convincingly, then you *could* have them get married on Naboo after a few of the love scenes. Anakin could then have the dream about his mother and the movie could go foward from there. So Anakin and Padme would be a married couple through the rest of the movie. You could then show Anakin leaving with all of the other troops and whatnot at the end.

I don't know if I like the idea...or if it could be accomplished...just a thought

I think I suggested something like that some time ago.

That way Padme would have fallen for the guy before he became a child killer.

 

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Wow.... It's gotten a bit nuts here. =)

TM, any updates?

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Yes.  Almost ready to start sending stuff, Ben.  As for this last exchange, it was a fun conversation, but at that point we are talking about a different edit.  What I've got to do at this point is make a cleaner, more professional version of the rough cut that's already out there, while incorporating improvements wherever I can (that are not completely daunting, like a new ending, etc.)  

A big part of this new version will be colors that look real, and images that have depth (thanks to Ben).  

Also, I want to try and stay away from major plot changes at this stage in the game- the one exception being that Syphodias is actually Qui-Gon, because if we can get the new dub, that should be a quick fix and makes Qui-Gon's character much more important.  

I am still back to the same quandaries as before though:

-What to do about Maul=Grievous in this movie (if anything).  

-How to handle Jar-Jar...English or alien with subitles?

-TM

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Octorox said:

For inspiration in the area of Grevious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1IVhMp2WPk

I always loved the way the original Clone Wars presented him as an absolute badass Jedi killing machine, more of a monster or weapon than the chatty moustache-twirling villain he is in EpIII

You have to conciously work to mess something like this up. It's all there, yet we still got a silly cartoony (more cartoony than the actual cartoon one!) version of Grievous instead.

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Trooperman said:

I am still back to the same quandaries as before though:

-What to do about Maul=Grievous in this movie (if anything).  

-How to handle Jar-Jar...English or alien with subitles?

-TM

Maul:  Unless he is fully functional as Grevious here, I vote we keep him out.

Binks:  I wouldn't mind seeing alien with subs.

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Trooperman said:

Yes.  Almost ready to start sending stuff, Ben.  As for this last exchange, it was a fun conversation, but at that point we are talking about a different edit.  What I've got to do at this point is make a cleaner, more professional version of the rough cut that's already out there, while incorporating improvements wherever I can (that are not completely daunting, like a new ending, etc.)  

A big part of this new version will be colors that look real, and images that have depth (thanks to Ben).  

Also, I want to try and stay away from major plot changes at this stage in the game- the one exception being that Syphodias is actually Qui-Gon, because if we can get the new dub, that should be a quick fix and makes Qui-Gon's character much more important.  

I am still back to the same quandaries as before though:

-What to do about Maul=Grievous in this movie (if anything).  

-How to handle Jar-Jar...English or alien with subitles?

-TM

Well said.

As far as Maul/Grievous..... Having been one to tinker a bit with possibilities, I personally feel we need to leave that aspect alone... For me, it's not feasible at the moment. There just aren't enough resources for me to pull it off.

Perhaps we can simply explain Grievous in a new Ep. 3 crawl?

Can't wait to get to work, TM! =)

 

 

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Trooperman said:

Also, I want to try and stay away from major plot changes at this stage in the game- the one exception being that Syphodias is actually Qui-Gon, because if we can get the new dub, that should be a quick fix and makes Qui-Gon's character much more important.

Awesome!

Trooperman said:

I am still back to the same quandaries as before though:

-What to do about Maul=Grievous in this movie (if anything).  

-How to handle Jar-Jar...English or alien with subitles?

I recommend:

-Leave Maul and Grievous separate

-Subtitle Jar Jar with alien dialog. This will probably result in a more professional result.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?