Video Games - a general discussion thread — Page 198

cutnshut said:

 

 I just bought it! im gonna be so broke lol!

 Yay, cut'n'shut has a backlog almost as big as mine now!

wanna see what alien breed evolution looks like on my 19" screen but everytime I save a game, switch it off....come back sometime later I try loading it and it says something stupid like "No storage device is attached!" I can't load my previous game or start a new game - so have to delete the whole thing, and download it again..... anyone else have this problem? I am in the UK so thinking probably use different version of XBL to you guys....

but yeah i will have a LOAD of new games to try :) gonna try and stick to one at a time and play the carp out of it before trying the next on the list.

Last week i wondered if i was getting bored with games and packed the xbox away - but i think it was just a case of not enjoying the games i had.

I'll try different screen resolutions and report back my findings - for ultimate gaming on a small tv screen :)

That's odd about the whole Alien Breed thing.  I haven't heard of anything like that.

Yup, typically that usually happens to me! ...im a lucky guy.

I just got resident evil 5.... can't run and shoot at the same time??? whats up with that? everytime i press the trigger i get a face full of shiva.....which is kinda nice but dont help kill zombies...

xhonzi said:

I'm a little ticked/glad (is that possible?) to hear you say that.  I've only played the first scene and the start of the second in L4D2 (and the demo level) and I have to say that I wasn't blown away in any way by L4D2 when compared to L4D1. 

You said it in your post, but I it- I do like the variation in the finales so far... but with all of their variation, they seem to be less epic than the big finales of L4D1. 

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But if I had to choose the 4 in L4D versus the 4 new ones in L4D2, I think I'd stick with the original ones.

 

I thought you said you bought L4D2? I am surprised to hear you have as of yet still only played the demo. We need to play sometime. I temporarily have a lot more free time now. 

I couldn't quite find the words to describe the way the L4D1 finales compared to the L4D2 finales, you used the word "less epic" and that is exactly what I felt about them. The L4D2 finales were just as hard and just as big of a deal, but somehow the first ones felt really climactic, and the second ones not so much.

When you say the 4 in L4D o versus the 4 new ones, I have to assume you either mean levels or survivors. There are actually five levels in L4D2, so I imagine you mean survivor characters. If that is what you meant, I really agree. There is no character I really care that much for in L4D2, and none of them seem likely to be the sort to survive the zombie apocalypse.

In L4D1 we have:

a muscular biker

an old war veteran

a officer worker who happens to be a survival/outdoors enthusiast

and a college age video game fanatic

All the above seem likely enough to survive by their own means long enough to run into other survivors to team up with.

In L4D2 we have:

a dirt stupid mechanic

an overweight football coach

a news reporter

and a con man

I guess the con man is likely enough, the news reporter is believable but unlikely, and the other two just make no sense at all. Especially the mechanic. The group just doesn't work as well to me as the classic group.

oh no.... sooo many games to play now ....cant decide which to play first so i end up doing a level of each! ...such a hard life!

L4D game of the year version arrived yesterday :)

Johnny Ringo said:

For those that have played both, how does the second L4D compare to the first? - I'm considering getting them since they've suddenly become very cheap.

 

 Had that discussion just one page back, look for posts by me and xhonzi.

We talked about the differences and what we liked about each, but for me the bottom line was that I would highly recommend both. The first one pulled off some things better than the second, and the second added some really nifty stuff. Really, by owning both it just means you have more levels to choose from. 

If you do buy both, I'd recommend starting in the first level of the first campaign of the first game, and working yourself through the whole thing in order.* I'd also recommend playing it online with stranger or with friends, playing with live players is where the game really shines. I originally tried to get into the thing with a typical story based FPS in mind, and was really disappointed with what seemed like a really shallow and short game. Since I gave it a second chance and decided to buy a mic and play online with real people, it has quickly became one of my all time favorite games, and what once seemed to me as a short and fairly unenjoyable game suddenly became the game I find with the most replay value out of any game I have ever played in my life.

*I recommend playing it in order not for story line reasons, as there really isn't much in the game by way of story (it is more about setting and atmosphere), but rather so that you are introduced to and become adjusted to the game play mechanics in a natural order. I would be afraid that if you played part two first, it may rob you of some enjoyment of the first game on account of certain features being missing. Once you get use to those features it can be slightly irksome to do without them. If you begin with part two and become used to utilizing those new features from the start, it may be hard to step back and learn how to get by without them. However, if you start out without them and play through One, then go onto Two, and eventually revisit one, you will still have the proper skills to play and enjoy the game without those new additions found in Two.

I've also been wanting to buy a PS2 just so I can play a ton of Dynasty Warriors games. Same for XBOX 360. I eagerly blame RED CLIFF: Parts I & II for me wanting to play these!

 

EDIT: I've been wanting to get Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2.

Whats Red Cliff: Parts I & II ? never played any dynasty warriors games - but if theyre on xbox 360 too, might give em a look.

C3PX - Have only played the first level of L4D so far, gonna dust off my mic and try out the co-op game tonight - never used the mic before, so im a bit nervous about talking to complete strangers! but you said it was good so gotta find out!

C3PX said:

xhonzi said:

I'm a little ticked/glad (is that possible?) to hear you say that.  I've only played the first scene and the start of the second in L4D2 (and the demo level) and I have to say that I wasn't blown away in any way by L4D2 when compared to L4D1. 

You said it in your post, but I it- I do like the variation in the finales so far... but with all of their variation, they seem to be less epic than the big finales of L4D1. 

...

But if I had to choose the 4 in L4D versus the 4 new ones in L4D2, I think I'd stick with the original ones.

 

 

I thought you said you bought L4D2? I am surprised to hear you have as of yet still only played the demo.

Yes, I did buy it.  You must have read my post wrong, I said the levels I'd played so far were all of the 1st, the beginning of the 2nd (of the retail game) and the level that was in the demo.  MY ticked/glad sentiment works like this: One of the reasons I hunkered down and bought L4D2 was on your recommendation that it was, and I loosely quote from my faulty memory, "So much better."  So I'm a little upset to see you reverse your opinion here.  But maybe I'm just remembering wrong... but then I'm glad to see that opinion... because I didn't really see a HUGE improvement in 2.  At least, not yet.  The levels I played (with the new survivors, the new special infected, and the new weapons) most certainly could have been DLC to the old game.

We need to play sometime. I temporarily have a lot more free time now.

Alright, let's talk turkey.  Is Friday or Saturday a good night for everybody who wants in on some L4D2?

<snip> The L4D2 finales were just as hard and just as big of a deal, but somehow the first ones felt really climactic, and the second ones not so much.

The only finale I've played is the gas can one.  I didn't think it was nearly as hard as the L4D1 finales... I concentrated on filling the tank and my 3 compadres fought the z's.  I ran all over the stairs finding gas cans and throwing them down to the 1st floor.  And then filled the tank pretty quickly.  I think we'd nailed it in about 3 minutes flat or so... not the 10-15 minutes (at least it feels that long) that the 'survival' focused finales were.

When you say the 4 in L4D o versus the 4 new ones, I have to assume you either mean levels or survivors. There are actually five levels in L4D2, so I imagine you mean survivor characters.

I actually meant the Special Infected.  I thought 'SIs' was maybe common lingo for them, but I also didn't think MOD2 was a good nick for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.  Shows what I know.  I think the 4 original Special Infected are superior to the 4 new ones, but seeing how the new ones are just added to the original 4, I guess it's alright.

If that is what you meant, I really agree. There is no character I really care that much for in L4D2, and none of them seem likely to be the sort to survive the zombie apocalypse.

In L4D1 we have:

a muscular biker

an old war veteran

a officer worker who happens to be a survival/outdoors enthusiast

and a college age video game fanatic

All the above seem likely enough to survive by their own means long enough to run into other survivors to team up with.

In L4D2 we have:

a dirt stupid mechanic

an overweight football coach

a news reporter

and a con man

I guess the con man is likely enough, the news reporter is believable but unlikely, and the other two just make no sense at all. Especially the mechanic. The group just doesn't work as well to me as the classic group.

However, I really agree with this too.  I like the original characters more.  Your analysis is spot on.

xhonzi said:

Alright, let's talk turkey.  Is Friday or Saturday a good night for everybody who wants in on some L4D2?

cutnshut said:

never used the mic before, so im a bit nervous about talking to complete strangers! but you said it was good so gotta find out!

I am not all that chatty of a person, so I usually just leave my mic on mute. That way I can still remain part of a group and hear what the plans are and people calling for help. If I get into trouble and my teams seems oblivious, I'll just switch the mute button off, say "Smoker" or "I'm down" or announce whatever mess I am in, then click the mute back on.

Sometimes I will feel more like interacting and will join in on the strategical process, just depends on the mood I am in and the people I am playing with. Sometimes you find some really interesting people who are a lot of fun to talk to. Others will be absolutely determined to have a conversation and in order not to seem rude I will join them for some idle chit chat. It is a pretty mixed bag, which is what makes it so much fun. It is kind of fun being thrown in with total stangers and being forced to work together to survive.

xhonzi said:

One of the reasons I hunkered down and bought L4D2 was on your recommendation that it was, and I loosely quote from my faulty memory, "So much better."  So I'm a little upset to see you reverse your opinion here.  But maybe I'm just remembering wrong...

Hmm, I am pretty sure I never said it was "so much better". Even from the beginning, I felt the first game was still way worth going back to. I feel things like the melee weapons and many of the new maps made the second game well worth getting. I did highly recommend it to you, and stand by that recommendation, but I have not ever flip flopped or reversed my opinion on this matter. I have felt this same way from the first week L4D2 was released.

As for playing L4D on Friday or Saturday evening, I think one day will work as well for me as another for me. However, my plans are subject to change at the last minute. I'll plan to be there, but there is probably about a 50% chance that something else will come up on either night.

C3PX said:

xhonzi said:

One of the reasons I hunkered down and bought L4D2 was on your recommendation that it was, and I loosely quote from my faulty memory, "So much better."  So I'm a little upset to see you reverse your opinion here.  But maybe I'm just remembering wrong...

Hmm, I am pretty sure I never said it was "so much better". Even from the beginning, I felt the first game was still way worth going back to. I feel things like the melee weapons and many of the new maps made the second game well worth getting. I did highly recommend it to you, and stand by that recommendation, but I have not ever flip flopped or reversed my opinion on this matter. I have felt this same way from the first week L4D2 was released.

Perhaps I am attributing some of Mr. and Mrs. 005's excitement to you.  My local friend who also bought a copy of L4D2 said he played a little more on his own and is starting to be of the opinion that 2 is "orders of magnitude" better, just like a lot of those people on the internet.

Maybe I just need to play more.  And to stop attributing things to C3PX that he didn't say.

As for playing L4D on Friday or Saturday evening, I think one day will work as well for me as another for me. However, my plans are subject to change at the last minute. I'll plan to be there, but there is probably about a 50% chance that something else will come up on either night.

What the frink, man?  I thought getting together soon was you're idea?!?!?

TV's Frink said:

 

 

Don't use my name in vain or you'll pay!!!*

Frink you!  I'm sick of your frinking carp!

xhonzi said:

Perhaps I am attributing some of Mr. and Mrs. 005's excitement to you.  My local friend who also bought a copy of L4D2 said he played a little more on his own and is starting to be of the opinion that 2 is "orders of magnitude" better, just like a lot of those people on the internet.

Maybe I just need to play more.  And to stop attributing things to C3PX that he didn't say.

Well, don't get me wrong, I expressed a lot of excitement for L4D2. And I remember putting quite a lot of pressure on you to buy it. I excitedly bought it on day one, and have clocked more hours on it this year than any other game by far, I am sure. I absolutely love that game, and still feel all tingly inside when I think about it... err, so yeah... it is an awesome game. I am not putting it down so much as I am building up the first one.

The fact is the first one is a really, really good game. And the second on is a really, really good game, with some really neat features the first one didn't have. Kind of weird, seems like since Valve decided to make L4D so soon after the release of the first one, there has been a bit of a rift in the L4D community. On one side you have fans who whined about the second game coming out too soon and what a terrible thing it was Valve was doing to them and that they felt cheated and screwed over and so on; then on the other side you had guys who had played a lot of the first one and loved it to death and were really excited about the sequel. Ultimately, you ended up with one side standing firm in putting down the second and saying, "See, it is pointless and just like the first!" and the other side touting that the second one is light years better than the original. I really don't fall into either group. I was excited about the sequel and never for a second felt cheated by its announcement, and I never felt the sequel to be justification for tossing out the first one and never playing it again.

As for playing L4D on Friday or Saturday evening, I think one day will work as well for me as another for me. However, my plans are subject to change at the last minute. I'll plan to be there, but there is probably about a 50% chance that something else will come up on either night.

What the frink, man?  I thought getting together soon was you're idea?!?!?

I know, I know, I just can't help it if I am THAT cool and have so many people demanding my attention on a regular basis. But whatever day we decide, I am going to try my best to blow off all offers and spend my weekend at home playing video games with you guys. See, I love you guys that much! However, there are a few people in the world, one in particular (no, sadly, not Gaffer) who I love just slightly more... and they get first dibs on my weekend evenings.

It was probably me and the Mrs that were hyping it up so much. My only "problem" with L4D2 is that each level introduces some new awesome thing, only to have it appear exclusively in that level. Weather, multiple pathways, new kinds of mid-level "trip the alarm", new endings. It's almost like the current levels are tests of what they can do later with the game. Which if they keep going through DLC for it is fine with me. The Passing DLC had a level that combined a couple of the "new" things, so that's just a sign of the future, I suppose.

I love the idea of continually getting new levels through DLC for the L4Ds, but I also hate feeling like I am being nickle and dimed to death. They are only $7 a piece so far, but seeing as how they are given away for free to PC users, I'd think 400 ms points ($5) or less would be more appropriate. It is already bad enough that we have to pay for them, but I can look passed that because I think they are worth it and I'd rather be playing on my xbox than a PC. But what really rubs me the wrong way is not only having to pay for what PC users get for free, but that they also make them an odd price and only sell msp in even numbers (400, 800, 1200, etc. And most games you can purchase on arcade and most DLC are priced to match these numbers, except for L4D's. In order to dish out the 540 msp (I think that is how much they are) you have to buy 800 msp ($10) leaving an orphaned 260 points you didn't even want to spend money on that are now just floating around on your account, tempting you to spend it on crap you don't need... like eye patches for your avatar, or Lando's administrative outfit.

C3PX said:

...they also make them an odd price and only sell msp in even numbers (400, 800, 1200, etc. And most games you can purchase on arcade and most DLC are priced to match these numbers, except for L4D's. In order to dish out the 540 msp (I think that is how much they are) you have to buy 800 msp ($10) leaving an orphaned 260 points you didn't even want to spend money on that are now just floating around on your account, tempting you to spend it on crap you don't need... like eye patches for your avatar, or Lando's administrative outfit.