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Star Wars Episode I - The Phantom Menace: Redemption ** unfinished project ** — Page 3

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IT'S DONE! All of the color correction and tweaks are finished, and I'm done with the finsihing touches on the editing in Premiere. The only thing left to do at this point is to put together a DVD. That's going to be the real kicker since I've never authored a DVD before, and I need to start researching how to do it. The release date is within sight, though! Again, hopefully I'll have a preview or two up in the meanwhile.

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(DVD is a crummy format anyhow.)

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BmB said:

(DVD is a crummy format anyhow.)

Please elaborate.

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MPEG-2 is ancient. It needs huge bitrates (and thus filesizes) to look anything decent, and still most DVD's I have are drowning in a sea of artifacts. Not only that, the whole telecine process is pretty much obsolete, as most playback systems can smoothly represent whatever framerate you feed them nowadays. One hears terrible things of NTSC judder and has witnessed the agony of PAL speedup oneself. And to add to the filesize is the fact that even with support for anamorphics DVD's feel the need to have hardcoded black bars.

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Dunno, MPEG4 seems to be all the rage these days.

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For watching movies on TV DVD is still the most common format. I'll probably release an AVI version as well, but everyone still seems to like DVDs. The source image was a DVD file anyway, so it's not like I'm going to achieve particularly better image quality with another format.

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I guess that's true.

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BmB said:

(DVD is a crummy format anyhow.)

BmB said:

MPEG-2 is ancient. It needs huge bitrates (and thus filesizes) to look anything decent, and still most DVD's I have are drowning in a sea of artifacts. Not only that, the whole telecine process is pretty much obsolete, as most playback systems can smoothly represent whatever framerate you feed them nowadays. One hears terrible things of NTSC judder and has witnessed the agony of PAL speedup oneself. And to add to the filesize is the fact that even with support for anamorphics DVD's feel the need to have hardcoded black bars.

BmB said:

Dunno, MPEG4 seems to be all the rage these days.

Sorry but you are talking complete rubbish here. If most of your DVD's are drowning in a sea of artefacts then you have a pretty crappy DVD player or they are not retail DVDs and DVD is not a crummy format at all. Most people who will watch a movie will do so on a DVD. The people who watch a movie via other methods are still a minority as are Blu-Rays. I can't believe that you moan about Mpeg2 having artefacts yet suggest MPEG4. And you are wrong on MPEG4 being all the rage because x264 is. MPEG4 looks like shit unless you use high bitrates. x264 however looks amazing. Compare a 2gb mpeg4 DVD rip to a 2gb x264 DVD rip and the difference is almost like the difference between VHS & DVD.

Timstuff, great to hear you have finished the colour correction. From the screengrabs its looking mighty nice.

For authoring the DVD you could use either Sony DVD Architect or DVDLab Pro. Both are pretty easy to use with DVD Architect having the edge on authoring features. There are demos available for both online so you can try each one out to see which one suits you the best first.

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Looking forward to this! Love the work you've done so far.

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Uh... x264 is just an implementation of H.264/AVC, which is MPEG-4.

The MPEG-4 you are thinking of must be Avanced Simple Profile or something.

And the DVD's really are drowning in a sea of artifacts, Like the opening battle in my EPIII DVD, if I scale it up to my display size t oview it fullscreen it's hard to tell what is spaceship, planet, or just artifact mud. Granted, this is a visually dense scene with lots of movement but it's still terrible.

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BmB said:

Uh... x264 is just an implementation of H.264/AVC, which is MPEG-4.

The MPEG-4 you are thinking of must be Avanced Simple Profile or something.

And the DVD's really are drowning in a sea of artifacts, Like the opening battle in my EPIII DVD, if I scale it up to my display size t oview it fullscreen it's hard to tell what is spaceship, planet, or just artifact mud. Granted, this is a visually dense scene with lots of movement but it's still terrible.

Duh, i do know that but you said "MPEG4 is all the rage" which releases using the mp4 container use level 2 (divx/vxid) apart from online trailers at HD for quicktime but releases using x264/h264 mpeg4 level 10 usually use the mkv /ts contaiers.

And you last statement proved my point exactly

if I scale it up to my display size t oview it fullscreen it's hard to tell what is spaceship, planet, or just artifact mud.

You are scaling it up to fullscreen which means that your TVs/players scaler is crap. I just checked the opening of EPIII and used the zoom function on my TV to blow it up to fullscreen, removing the matting bars at top & bottom, and i'm not getting any problems like that. I can see everything perfectly

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adywan said:

Duh, i do know that but you said "MPEG4 is all the rage" which releases using the mp4 container use level 2 (divx/vxid) apart from online trailers at HD for quicktime but releases using x264/h264 mpeg4 level 10 usually use the mkv /ts contaiers.

I don't work within the scene but most of my own releases as of late have been x264/faac inside the MP4 container.

Although I have seen xvid-type mpeg-4 in MP4 files, usually I only see that in AVI files.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Yes, Lanczos is total crap. I should use a proper scaler.

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I'd also like to know how it's coming along. You seem to have ploughed through it at an astonishing rate. I'm very excited to see it :)

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Can someone tell what happend with this edit ? It couldn't dissapear. No editor so small has cloaking device..? 

wise you must be.
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^ what he said. I thought this was done. Where are you, Timstuff?

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I had a bunch of dumb summer school stuff that prevented me from authoring the DVD. I have never made a DVD before and I'm still learning the basics of Adobe Encore, but I recently burned a bare-bones copy of the edit that works on DVD players. There were no chapters, subtitles, or menus, but it still played. Exporting it with a 5.1 audio mix might be a little tricky too, but I'm pretty sure I can make it work. I am currently working on making a disc with more bells and whistles, and I hope to have it done in a week or two. Sorry I kept everyone waiting so long for this. :(