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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released) — Page 94

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Well, gee thanks! I dunno, I guess it just came from the flow of ideas coming from this conversation...For years I've imagined how cool it would have been for Maul to go on a rant during that moment in the duel, and this idea just fits the concept!

I just wish it would be possible to do a final sequence in ROTS with Qui-gon's spirit and Obi-wan mirroring Luke and Obi-wan's conversation on Dagobah in ROTJ...heh, it could have even included Qui-gon saying to a dubious Obi something like, "from a certain point of view, my actions were justified." Of course, we wouldn't want to take away from the brilliance that is "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!".... But alas! that seems pretty much undoable.

PS I also like the smoke! 

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I'd love to see a shot of Grievous being created, and it being the pieces of Maul....  But then in the third film, we need Grievous to talk a lot less! =)

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Or redo his lines with someone's Maul imitation? But we need to think about Ep. II right now anyway. Haha.

I just thought about those recolored shots people posted of Maul somewhere. They might be in the prequel radical redux whatever thread. I'm gonna try and find some...

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd4/mystory64/grevioux.jpg
A plain metal one (made by vaderios), which would be good for the construction.

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A Maul version (made by TheoOdo).

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You're right, we do have to focus on this movie... However, what is done here will affect the third. You're forced to look to the future when making drastic changes like these.

Some of those pictures are great.

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As exciting as these changes are, I think we need to focus on this being a stand-alone edit.

Otherwise, this may never get finished.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Yes, I've always figured this would be a stand-alone edit too. I mean, this one was one foot in the grave, one above a banana peel for a long time. (so glad there's life in it again!) The thought of them doing an edit of Ep. III never even crossed my mind! :p

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Can we slip that shot of Maul into the Lama Su walk-around scene?

 

It's not much, but it might be the least intrusive way to introduce the Maul/Grievous connection. If the shot were clean enough, it could be a great little dangler that wouldn't leave this movie feeling unfinished (at least, not anymore than the escape of Dukoo already makes it feel).

 

Then, a follow up change in an EpIII edit could be to simply have Grievous' eyes change color to Maul's eyes when he faces off with Obi Wan.

 

Obi Wan's reaction is pretty good for that reveal, if I recall correctly.  Just a thought. 

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Keeping on with the idea of Master Jinn ordering the clones...

The script as it is now:

INTERIOR: GEONOSIS, PRISON CELL - DAY

COUNT DOOKU walks into the cell holding OBI-WAN. OBI-WAN is
suspended in a force field, turning slowly as blue electric
bolts restrain him. COUNT DOOKU circles OBI-WAN as they
talk.

...

COUNT DOOKU: It's a great pity that our paths have never
crossed before, Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon always spoke very highly
of you. I wish he were still alive. I could use his help
right now.

OBI-WAN: Qui-Gon Jinn would never join you.

COUNT DOOKU: Don't be so sure, my young Jedi. You forget
that he was once my apprentice just as you were once his.
He knew all about the corruption in the Senate, but he
would never have gone along with it if he had known the
truth as I have.


OBI-WAN: The truth?

COUNT DOOKU: The truth. What if I told you that the
Republic was now under the control of the Dark Lords of the
Sith?

OBI-WAN: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would be aware
of it.

COUNT DOOKU: The dark side of the Force has clouded their
vision, my friend. Hundreds of Senators are now under the
influence of a Sith Lord called Darth Sidious.

OBI-WAN: I don't believe you.

COUNT DOOKU: The Viceroy of the Trade Federation was once
in league with this Darth Sidious. But he was betrayed ten
years ago by the Dark Lord. He came to me for help. He told
me everything. The Jedi Council would not believe him. I
tried many times to warn them but they wouldn't listen to
me. Once they sensed the Dark Lord's presence, it would
then be too late. You must join me, Obi-Wan, and together
we will destroy the Sith.

OBI-WAN: I will never join you, Dooku.

COUNT DOOKU turns to leave.

COUNT DOOKU: It may be difficult to secure your release.

What will need to be changed is the fact that Qui-gon knows the truth.  Or some of the truth or at least what he thinks is the truth.

We also ought to take out the bit about the Viceroy of the Trade Federation.  Is that at all relevant?  Maybe instead of a line about how, while Obiwan doesn't believe Dooku, Quigon did and this is what prompted Sidious to send his apprentice to kill him on Tatooine and at Theed.

And maybe we could introduce the idea of Qui-Gon foreseeing the rise of the droid armies and needing to order the clones to counter them.

The payoff at the end comes when Sidious and Dooku are talking at the end of the movie and reveals the clones they ordered in Master Jinn's name are better than expected.  So Qui-Gon never actually orders the clones, but Dooku lies to Kenobi that qui-Gon did.  Which lie Obi-wan heard earlier when talking to Lama Su at Kamino.

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Grievous wouldn't be evil because of the eye change-- he's already evil. The eye change would "reveal" that he is actually Darth Maul.

 

If that's a cliche, so be it. I prefer a meaningful cliche to a meaningless Grievous. I'm simply grateful to finally come across a way to communicate that idea without massive amounts of additional (non existant) footage.

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"I prefer a meaningful cliche to a meaningless Grievous." That's true. You can go about your business. ;)

Do they at least go into Grievous' backstory in the Clone Wars cartoon? And maybe something about those bodyguard bots of his with the buzzy sticks? :p

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Could the eyes maybe instead of changing just not be shown or shadowed over until Obi-wan has his staring contest?  Then we only have this shot or two to comp Maul's eyes on Grevious's sockets.

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Much better, Sluggo. Good ideas, all around.

Now we just need a episode III editor to jump on the SOTDS bandwagon!

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Because of a way Christopher Lee spoke the lines (as opposed to the script Sluggo posted above), there's an opportunity in Dukoo's talk with Obi Wan for a simple cut (sound wise, it would have to be covered visually) to get the dialogue close to what Sluggo is asking for:

 

Dukoo: Qui gonn knew all about the corruption in the senate... he had learned the truth as I have.

ObiWan: the truth?

Dukoo: the truth. What if I were to tell you...

 

 

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Very interesting.  So, the idea is to put Darth Maul inside one of the windows in Kamino?  

That would be a great idea, but wouldn't Obi-Wan do a double take after seeing that?  

Might it be possible for Obi-Wan and Lama-Su to walk across the camera, and then slowly pan down to Maul on a table.  Hold it for a second, and then cut away to Obi-Wan and Lama-Su again, Obi-Wan oblivious to Maul's presence?  

 

By the way, the Maul/Grevious concept reminds me of an original series Star Trek episode, "What are Little Girls Made Of," in which Dr. Corby, injured beyond repair, tries to put his soul into a robot and something is lost...

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Why have Obi-Wan In the room?

I know the PT Jedi are a bit stupid but aren't we supposed to be correcting that?

The mock-up was originally for a coda to Episode One.

Sidious pulls him out of the pit (to be the source of the clones) but he switches sides and becomes mysterious cyborg General guy (who claims he wants to kill the Chancellor/Sith Lord for setting him up for a fall).

You could insert a line into Episode Two about the first template being too difficult to control.

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Bingowings said:

...The mock-up was originally for a coda to Episode One.

Sidious pulls him out of the pit (to be the source of the clones) but he switches sides and becomes mysterious cyborg General guy (who claims he wants to kill the Chancellor/Sith Lord for setting him up for a fall).

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This might have been a cool addition to Episode 1 that could mirror Palpy finding a crispy Anakin in Episode 3. Maybe Maul could be even more damaged by the time he gets to the bottom.  For Maul to have survived Obi-wan's beat down, the wound would need to be cauterized by the lightsaber.  Even cut in half, Maul is still a lot more intact than Grevious is by Episode 3. 

 

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"The mock-up was originally for a coda to Episode One."

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For when, after Qui Gonn's funeral?

After Yoda tells Obi Wan to teach Anakin?

After the victory march on Naboo?

I never thought of Ep 1 as needing yet another coda.

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I've looked all over the Kamino scenes for a place to do this, and I simply don't see it.... A better place IMO, and I'm actually tinkering with.... Is the scene where Palpy and Dooku meet at the end, and as they walk off, the camera stops and there is Maul.... I think it could work quite well... Anyone have a better idea though?

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Wow, Benja. That's a place to ad a coda-- I personally always thought seeing Maul at that point would set up Maul/Grievous for epIII quite well.  I just never knew how to do it.

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Still working on the sequence... At the moment it's a bit too obvious and cheesy... Hard to explain. I hope to have something to look at.... Hopefully.

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*raises hand*

I gotsta question.  If we coda the Grevious/Maul bit in Episode 2, would it lose anything for the audience when Obi-wan finds out in Epidose 3?

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Sluggo said:

*raises hand*

I gotsta question.  If we coda the Grevious/Maul bit in Episode 2, would it lose anything for the audience when Obi-wan finds out in Epidose 3?

And more importantly, how does he realize?