^^ Definitely some cool ideas.
In retrospect there were so many ways they could have gone instead of just 1 new DS.
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I just want to be sure. When R2 and 3PO are taken by Jabba's employees, EV-9D9 orders 3PO be fitted with a restraining bolt. It never happens. I dunno if the order applies to both droids, but there you have it.
Oh yeah, when Luke jumps from the Skiff's plank, he extends only one hand and then all of a sudden both hands grab the plank. Perhaps a little editing savvy can be used there?
ChainsawAsh said:
Didn't see that, Monroville. However, I feel like that would take away from the redemption of Anakin, since he wouldn't be the one that kills Palpatine.
Alternatively, what if the rebels try to go in and blow up the Death Star as planned, but can't get through, or it doesn't work, so [someone] comes up with the idea to ram the Executor into it, thus destroying it?
That would probably require too much footage that simply doesn't exist, though ...
I wouldn't have the Executor hit the Emperor's tower, but have it land just short (crash somewhere into the dish between the edge and the E.T. in the center).
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
The "Final Duel" music needs to be removed from the scene where Luke confronts Jabba.
When Luke tells Leia about there brother/sister relationship the line, "somehow I've always known" really needs to go.
Unlike some people on here I don't really have a problem with the two of them kissing the way they do in ANH and ESB because they don't know who they are at that point but that line suggests that Leia instinctively knew Luke was her brother and while the kissing in ANH is mild and possibly sisterly it's a bit more full on in ESB and that makes that line really feel wrong.
Yeah i'd love for that line to go too. it's bs. but if you do take it out you'll be missing a reaction from Leia on that revelation. she doesn't say much.
I think Leia's line is less of a "I've known all this time" and more of a "I've always felt closer to you" line. And in all honesty, it's not that odd. I remember several news stories from the past few years about brothers and sisters who were separated at birth and ended up getting married! It wasn't until blood testing was done that they learned the truth. So maybe familial bonds really do attract people, even if they don't understand why the attraction exists.
Cleopatra said:
I think Leia's line is less of a "I've known all this time" and more of a "I've always felt closer to you" line. And in all honesty, it's not that odd. I remember several news stories from the past few years about brothers and sisters who were separated at birth and ended up getting married! It wasn't until blood testing was done that they learned the truth. So maybe familial bonds really do attract people, even if they don't understand why the attraction exists.
I posted a link to such a case in defense of the whole scenario which for an eleventh hour quick fix actually works rather well with what we already know from ESB but consider a similar famous cinematic situation.
When Marty McFly gets face sucked by his mother in Back To The Future she instantly pulls back (even though she was very keen up until that point).
She instinctively knows something is wrong with that situation and she isn't a Jedi.
If Leia "somehow always knew" Luke was her brother her lipsmackin' routine in ESB becomes rather laughable (and not in a good way).
Bingowings said:
The Empire does seem to equate better with bigger (even though that doesn't necessarily make sense).
After building one Death Star they may now have the means to make a weapon as powerful but a fraction of the size and if they were in a hurry to build it would they bother with the fortress side of the station?
The first Death Star was an exercise in putting all the eggs in one basket.
It's a huge prison, a mobile Imperial base, potentially a concentration camp and it has the superweapon too, it size is an effective psychological weapon in itself but it may be more efficient to make several stripped down versions of just the superweapon.
That's why I suggested making the new fortress a lure (George like decoys and Palpatine is meant to be from Naboo too).
If the real weapon was stuck on something like another command ship that dropped out of hyperspace once everyone was there it could be shot to make it look bigger than any of the other capital ships (even The Executor) without having to make any comparisons with the Endor Moon or the metal moon which would represent the former big bad of ANH.
How about that, if the DS is just there to lure the Rebel fleet and isn't actually operational, instead of having the weapon on a new ship why not give a little twist in the tale and have what we all think is the shield generator on Endor actually be the superweapon? It certainly looks like it could easily emit the same type of laser configuration as the death star. Just add a few tower structures around the dish and they could be the actual shield emitters which would still get destroyed when the dish blows up. Just a very rough mock-up
That's a rather fun idea the only problem I can see with it is that like Arecibo style weapon it's not very portable and would be a bugger to aim (unless there is an array of them).
If the Daleks were behind the scheme they would have built the thing around a hollow planet (like Naboo) or drilled the core out and put a hyperdrive where the core normally would be.
Even though it likely wasn't the intention, I always felt that Luke calling for Leia with The Force at the end of ESB was a hint of that familial link. Considering there had been this slight underlying "maybe" attraction between Luke & Leia, I suppose this was another suggestive hint. Still, it works better as a possible retcon idea. Vader reveals he is Luke's father, and then, the next (living) person he calls for help is Leia, who happens to be his sister. It strengthens the theme of family bonds in the saga like Anakin's nightmares about Shmi & Padmé. So, the whole line about, "I've always known," does fit for me. If you push it further to that Leia never actually met her mother, but had visions of her through The Force, it fits even better. It means that she always knew there was a special power she had, or an extraordinary bond with her biological family.
-NJM
I also thought Leia's choke by proxy of Lando (and Jabba for that matter) was another clue to her parentage or at least you can look at it that way if you want to.
I wish ROTJ would go down more like this:
Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
The audio was removed from your YouTube link.
Bingowings said:
Cleopatra said:
I think Leia's line is less of a "I've known all this time" and more of a "I've always felt closer to you" line. And in all honesty, it's not that odd. I remember several news stories from the past few years about brothers and sisters who were separated at birth and ended up getting married! It wasn't until blood testing was done that they learned the truth. So maybe familial bonds really do attract people, even if they don't understand why the attraction exists.
I posted a link to such a case in defense of the whole scenario which for an eleventh hour quick fix actually works rather well with what we already know from ESB but consider a similar famous cinematic situation.
When Marty McFly gets face sucked by his mother in Back To The Future she instantly pulls back (even though she was very keen up until that point).
She instinctively knows something is wrong with that situation and she isn't a Jedi.
If Leia "somehow always knew" Luke was her brother her lipsmackin' routine in ESB becomes rather laughable (and not in a good way).
Whether Leia and Luke fooled around (to whatever extent) between blowing up the Death Star (including with maybe the incident with "splinter of the mind's eye") to what we see in EMPIRE, I would think that Leia would be rather too stunned to say anything.
Up until JEDI, Luke was a potential love interest, so this would be a pretty big revelation.
Would there be any way to take Leia's quiet moment and extend it to reflect her being "sucker-punched in the gut" and just not having anything to say? As it stands, it's kind of a throw-away scene to the degree that Luke makes the revelation and Leia says "yeah., I kinda figured that", shrugs shoulders and the movie continues on...
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
I can understand where you're coming from. You'd think that finding out Darth effing Vader was your Pa would invoke a more intense response, or at least a little more conversation!
Well, you see her disgust when Luke says that Vader is his father, but she has a fairly tamed reaction when Luke says she is his sister. In the least, it should evoke a mixed reaction, but it's about 27 years too late to do anything about that.
-NJM
Princess Leia was high on space spice.. she was fairly numb at the time. How can you blame her for developing that habit with the war and Han Solo gone?
You mean this space spice?
how does she do that with her eyes?!? And any chance someone can release a rip of this:
“You people must realize that the public owns you for life, and when you’re dead, you’ll all be in commercials dancing with vacuum cleaners.”
– Homer Simpson
Try singing that horrible Life Day song. It's enough to warble anybody's eyes! :)
On that "DS looks way too small" issue, I think what everyone's said for a long while, about having the reveal of the new DS dwarfing the Executor, is ideal.
Also, maybe try to minimize the number of shots in the film that actually feature the DS and the Moon both, since those are the ones that make the DS looks small. Instead keep the DS as the focus, dwarfing everything else, instead.
From that scale picture, it seems like the Executor crashing will no almost nothing to the DS, so I don't know, maybe you'll have to make the ship going down more meaningful than it actually crashing. Like those suggestions about Piett deliberately crashing the ship in a kamikaze attack (however futile).
In general, actually, you don't get a sense of hopelessness from the DS in this one. It's even bigger, it's shielded, and it hasn't got an easy thermal exhaust port to destroy it. It ought to be invincible and unstoppable, like nothing they can do even scratches it, not even a SUper Star Destroyer crashing into it. As it is right now, as soon as the shield is down, it's easily blown up by a couple of tiny ships. So much for unstoppable. It robs the film of its potential impact. You should be on the edge of your seat, wondering how they're going to survive against this invincible DS, not waiting for them to destroy it.
I like the idea of the Executor doing only small damage, but exposing a way into the core for the Falcon, only exposing a weakness at the last minute, not part of the plan from the start. Instead maybe the plan could have been to literally just blast the crap out of the station while its unfinished, not operational and undefended, to make it unusable before its operational (with the consequence of it becoming operational meaning the end of the Rebellion, no question). Hence the entire fleet coming. It raises the stakes and feels like the big finale.
I like the idea of never showing the entire DS2 in a shot. Pan across it, show parts of it, but never show the whole thing unless its obvious that you're really really far away.
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Ithilgore said:
On that "DS looks way too small" issue, I think what everyone's said for a long while, about having the reveal of the new DS dwarfing the Executor, is ideal.
Also, maybe try to minimize the number of shots in the film that actually feature the DS and the Moon both, since those are the ones that make the DS looks small. Instead keep the DS as the focus, dwarfing everything else, instead.
From that scale picture, it seems like the Executor crashing will no almost nothing to the DS, so I don't know, maybe you'll have to make the ship going down more meaningful than it actually crashing. Like those suggestions about Piett deliberately crashing the ship in a kamikaze attack (however futile).
In general, actually, you don't get a sense of hopelessness from the DS in this one. It's even bigger, it's shielded, and it hasn't got an easy thermal exhaust port to destroy it. It ought to be invincible and unstoppable, like nothing they can do even scratches it, not even a SUper Star Destroyer crashing into it. As it is right now, as soon as the shield is down, it's easily blown up by a couple of tiny ships. So much for unstoppable. It robs the film of its potential impact. You should be on the edge of your seat, wondering how they're going to survive against this invincible DS, not waiting for them to destroy it.
I like the idea of the Executor doing only small damage, but exposing a way into the core for the Falcon, only exposing a weakness at the last minute, not part of the plan from the start. Instead maybe the plan could have been to literally just blast the crap out of the station while its unfinished, not operational and undefended, to make it unusable before its operational (with the consequence of it becoming operational meaning the end of the Rebellion, no question). Hence the entire fleet coming. It raises the stakes and feels like the big finale.
Yeah in the Revenge of the Jedi Revised Rough Draft the Rebel Fleet pretty much just gets up along side of the unfinished section and fires everything they got at it, if i remember correctly.
http://starwarz.com/starkiller/2010/03/revenge-of-the-jedi-revised-rough-draft/
Now that people have stopped talking about 2 death stars in ROTJ i found hidden amongst my books a print out of:
Revenge of the Jedi: Revised Rough Draft - June 12, 1981
Opening Crawl:
The Rebellion is doomed. Spies loyal
to the Old Republic have reported
several new armored space stations
under construction by the Empire.
A desperate plan to attack the
Dreaded Imperial capitol of
Had Abbadon and destroy the Death
Stars before they are completed has
been put into effect.
Rebel Commandos, led by Princess Leia,
have made their way into the very
heart of the Galactic Empire: as the
first step toward the final battle
for freedom....
http://starwarz.com/starkiller/2010/03/revenge-of-the-jedi-revised-rough-draft/
Havnt been back thru the pages to check, but i was sure someone said they knew it had been an idea originally but they couldnt find a script...
If im repeating something, apologies
I printed it off January this year, but still not read it - will do now!
You can never go home again, but i guess you can shop there.
You actually are repeating something that I brought up on June 13.
Here's a video I made based on the revised "Revenge" rough draft: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt0c4o4Rr1M