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zombie84
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28-Jun-2010, 7:55 PM

I have no idea what the original Laserdisks were sourced from. Maybe an IP, maybe just a theatrical print.

In 1985, a new IP was printed for the specific purpose of creating a new, high quality source for home video (the existing IPs were falling apart and old). This was the source for every single (American) home video release since then, as far as my research shows. It was the source of the GOUT/DC, and the source of the Faces set. (It was even used as a source for the SE restoration).

My understanding is that the only post-1985 LD releases with burn marks are the PAL disks--which makes sense since they were taken from a different source. Thinking about it now, it does make sense that burn marks are not put in to the IP, because the IP is basically the raw master for the film (since the O-neg doesn't have color timing). The 1985 IP doesn't have subs either, since they were electronically (I'm pretty sure) generated for specific video releases as countries dictated. Probably this was done on the D1/2 master of each specific release.

...however, since the 1985 IP was never intended to be used as a theatrical base, maybe this is why there was no theatre artifacts like burn marks. You don't need burn marks if it is made for video. So, there is still an out there.

Let me ask you this: was there ever an American Laserdisk release after 1985 that had burns? And does the DC/Faces themselves have burns?

If the answer to the first is yes, then there are a number of possibilities there. But if the answer to the second is yes, then...well, I don't know what that would mean except that they couldn't possibly be derived from the GOUT unless we find evidence of image tampering to hide them (which would be extremely difficult on 1993 electronic video telecine technology).

EDIT

After further research, changeover burn marks can be added either to prints or to IPs. It's basically up to the lab and/or producer's preference. The 1985 IP doesn't have any, if GOUT is any indication.