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Imagine trying to deliver that speech the evening after a vegetarian supper.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
1st IMPORTANCE INFO: spread it !!!... + "We" don't want to hear a damn thing - thread ! — Page 6
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A B C said:
I just watched that one, really great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPg9DnMP2D4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi6wNGwd84g&feature=related
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Warbler said:
but you're the one that said "Haha! This is going to be fun watching Americans try to figure out other ways of thinking." somehow it just doesn't make sense grammatically to me, that an American would say that.
Do you understand these other ways of thinking? Perhaps you could explain what ABC is talking about a little more clearly?
What is grammatically incorrect about what I wrote? I see nothing wrong with my grammar, and am now puzzled.
yeah, ok it grammatically correct, it just seemed a strange thing for an American to say
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Yeah, I do understand his way of thinking. But I honestly don't think I could explain it to you. He actually already did a pretty good job of it himself.
well, I don't think I'll ever get what you or ABC or the guy in the videos is taking about. So I'll continue to think the way I think. I'm just not a philosopher.
btw, ABC please stop acting like I'm your pupil. It comes off as condescending and arrogant.
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btw, ABC please stop acting like I'm your pupil. It comes off as condescending and arrogant.
Hahahaaa!... You asked first.
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Warbler said:
well, I don't think I'll ever get what you or ABC or the guy in the videos is taking about. So I'll continue to think the way I think. I'm just not a philosopher.
btw, ABC please stop acting like I'm your pupil. It comes off as condescending and arrogant.
What I was talking about had nothing to do with philosophy, or Eckhart, but rather cultural understandings of things. It is common for cultures to equate emotions and logic with various internal organs. In much of Western culture we equate emotions with the heart, while in many other cultures emotions are equated with the stomach.
I mentioned the Americans trying to figure it out, because for some reason (probably our level of isolation, which is actually kind of ironic and sad considering our "melting pot" status), they have a particularly hard time grasping ideas and concepts from other cultures. All cultures come across difficulties when trying to understand another, but Americans tend to be exceptionally stubborn and resistant to foreign ideas.
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I think the matter is other here (no matter the shape). My neighboor may just have the very same reaction than Warbler here. The... "kinds of people"... are universal, and timeless.
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I am in agreement. Even you, and your neighbor, are coming from Western thought. But the stuff of which you speak is not. We are touching two angles into one universal problem (or perhaps, more likely, a cluster of unique but related problems). While I pick on Americans mostly because I am one; and those are the ones I have worked with and been frustrated by the most. These issues are by no means limited to them, I just find them (or us, since I am one) to be very proud champions of the problem.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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I think these emotions we speak of come from the brain (not the heart or the liver), but I am not so egotistical that I claim to know the mysteries of the universe. At best it is simply what I choose to believe based on what I have heard, seen, and read. For all I know, emotions may come from my big toe.
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I like what Tolle says on "Pain Bodies" in one of those youtube videos.
I think he makes a very good point here. I can think of myself and my three closest friends. Three of us all live in very different parts of the country, and the fourth lives outside the country. I do not see any of them very often. Two of them are very obviously Pain Bodies themselves (or rather, they allow their pain bodies to surface and control much of their mental intake), and the fourth one is very guarded with the content he views. My two Pain Body friends (and myself) are often pretty miserable. When I talk to those two friends, they often mention how much work they have to do, how stressed they are, and how difficult life is. When I talk to my friend with the well suppressed Pain Body, he is always cheerful, optimistic, and tends to consider life to be pretty good.
If my other friends and I could bring ourselves to suppress our Pain Bodies, then I have no doubt our quality and enjoyment of life would increase substantially. Oddly, I don't think I would want to change the way I am. I feel the way I am gives me freedom and perspective, but that is probably just my Pain Body trying to defend itself.
Errr, I just went way off topic, didn't I?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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C3PX said:
I am in agreement. Even you, and your neighbor, are coming from Western thought. But the stuff of which you speak is not. We are touching two angles into one universal problem (or perhaps, more likely, a cluster of unique but related problems). While I pick on Americans mostly because I am one; and those are the ones I have worked with and been frustrated by the most. These issues are by no means limited to them, I just find them (or us, since I am one) to be very proud champions of the problem.
Translation: Han Solo Vs. Obi Wan; "Vs." being here a way to speak as, as you said very well, these two opposite worlds can't meet together. (... a matter of "switching").
"Who is the more foolish... ?"
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C3PX said:
Errr, I just went way off topic, didn't I?
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Errr, I just went way off topic, didn't I?
Not that much. And I think what you said is - perhaps - related to what you imagine by "changing your life". Austerity is not the way, no more than abrupt modifications in your beeing (neither to reenforce your will by trying to control every thoughts and emotions btw. Control is the result, not the way).
"The Force is used for knowledge and defense. Never to attack."
"... Mmmmhhh mmmhh mmhhh !"
...Hem.
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Then what is the way?
I still feel that negative mental intake can be, and probably most of the time is, quite detrimental to emotional peace.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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C3PX said:
Then what is the way?
I don't think there's a simple answer to that. In any case, to calm down is always the first step. Tolle himself only helps with clues and you can't keep hanged to his lips all your life, though he may be a good teacher to listen at first... even a "master" can't infuse the good will.
... Should I quote Yoda again ?
Oh, another grand wise said: "know that you already know", and that's a bit what Yoda said to Luke.
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I still feel that negative mental intake can be, and probably most of the time is, quite detrimental to emotional peace.
I know it's gonna look stupid but, why don't you try to feel something else ? ;)
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Warbler said:
ABC please stop acting like I'm your pupil. It comes off as condescending and arrogant.
That is perhaps one of the biggest things you fail to see in the politics thread, Warb. We are all pupils in this life, and everyone around us is a teacher. What we learn from them and take from our interactions with them is up to us, but even the most worthless person has valuable lessons to teach us.
You youself have taught me many things in our interactions, and you've more than once put me to shame and made me realize what an awful student I can sometimes be.
A B C said:
I still feel that negative mental intake can be, and probably most of the time is, quite detrimental to emotional peace.
I know it's gonna look stupid but, why don't you try to feel something else ? ;)
I guess you have a point. I may very well be trying to "attack" things that I suspect are my greatest foes, when in actuallity, the problem lies more close to home. Taking that first step to calming down is where I fail the hardest.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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I'm not sure I what I did or said to you C3PX, but I never meant to make you feel bad about yourself.
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As for ABC, It just seemed like he was looking down on me, acting all smug and superior and whatnot. Perhaps I am wrong. If so, I apologize.
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Warbler said:
I'm not sure I what I did or said to you C3PX, but I never meant to make you feel bad about yourself.
I think C3PX try to say thank you for you made him reconsider things / or look closer in his miror.
C3PX said:
I still feel that positive mental intake can be, and certainly is, quite a benefit to emotional peace.
Fixed !
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Warbler said:
As for ABC, It just seemed like he was looking down on me, acting all smug and superior and whatnot. Perhaps I am wrong. If so, I apologize.
Ah. I thought you were joking.
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nope.
btw, I made typo that effected the meaning of my last post(post 141 of this thread). It has been corrected. I forgot to include the word: down.
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Warbler said:
nope.
Too serious opinions on ourselves may hurt... As said C3PX we're all pupils in life. A chance my replied stood for both humorous and serious interpretation !
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alright then. Its just very difficult for me to understand what the intended meaning of some your posts are.
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C3PX said:
Taking that first step to calming down is where I fail the hardest.
... We are billions.
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Warbler said:
I'm not sure I what I did or said to you C3PX, but I never meant to make you feel bad about yourself.
You misunderstand me. I never said you made me feel bad about myself. Knowledge and perspective are two things I value greatly. I am greatful for what I gain from our discussions.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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Warbler said:
alright then. Its just very difficult for me to understand what the intended meaning of some your posts are.
The discution has followed its course, and as your questions started with my insinuation that your behaviour may be more controlled by what you read and hear from the only medias world rather than what your Heart (wich could also mean "innocence" to me) can teach you; then I surmise you came to finally boil to have allowed me to tie my point until conclusion, without any contradiction. Without C3PX in the neighborood, I would have possibly been kicked out from the place right away (actually I would have left the place before) ...
Worth to notice, for who has ears to hear - and Heart is here again the best pair of ears - it makes a lot of efforts and discussions to defend oneselves opinions (wich are not convictions) - and I'm thinking about the political thread in particular - totally pointless from both pragmatic and "essential" point of view, wich ones I consider they should prevail nowadays more than never. But if you prefer puzzling your minds with x people's tendencies (politics or so), I'm not judging you for that, even if what I observe myself allows me to have opinions as well. My opinions are not made to be discussed though, I just keep those as a reserve for actions or reactions. Ideas or feelings are more worth to discuss.
... I actally consider you, and in total agreement with what Mr Tolle says, as a Human, to be higher than your thoughts. And if someone would play the "teacher" with arrogance or so with you, you can be sure Ego would be very strong in him. Rather have pity then than being angry yourself, cause that would only affect you, not me.
Also, my post is intented like whole (so far), I hope it won't be broken in tiny pieces for micro observations ;)
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A B C said:
Also, my post is intented like whole (so far), I hope it won't be broken in tiny pieces for micro observations ;)
Yeah, that happens a lot around here. ;)
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape