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911 is insignificant on a global/historical/sociopolitical scale?  I think not.

Warbler said:

C3PX said:

 A large quantity of people dying at once seems tragic and all, but the lasting effect is quite minor.

minor? 

Agreed with C3PX, though I think he meant "minor".

tell that to the people that lost loved ones on 911 and from Katrina.

The point is not that there would be dramas more important than others... C3PX has presented it the right way. The people you refer to may not agree at first, but if they come to be confronted to the eventual deseases resulting from such chemical cocktails as mentionned by the BP chaplain... Pfff... What to say ? Who can imagine seeing all living around you turn to such level of decadence ?!... And perhaps on many generations.

I also don't consider the lasting effects of having your home(and everything in it) destroyed(as happened to many in Katrina) as minor.

 In comparison of what is profiled through the video (if you listen carefuly from start to end), it's Nothing. How can you compare btw, a "Hiroshima", because it is one, to the loss of material goods ?

To notice: It's been two weeks someone told me all plants and all animals (birds etc...) are falling dead around the Mississipi... I can't confirm, but perhaps someone will check if this information is right. However the discovery of the video from post 1 now give some matter to think about it.

- ABC, from the other side of the planet.

Words like "sociopolitical" make my head hurt, 'cause I'm kind a stoopid.

But does anyone think that 9/11 was minor or insignificant on a global or historical scale? Really? And it has nothing to do with the personal lives lost (as tragic as that is).  It has to do with the event's place in history and the effect on the rest of the world (at least from a sociopolitical standpoint, rather than an environmental standpoint).

You're probably right Frink, but if something gives me head hurt here around, that's the political thread !

At the same time, I read back through the thread and remembered this...

Warbler said:

I'm really sure how this can be considered the worst  or 2nd worst disaster of the 21 century when the century contains 911 and Katrina.   Not to mention the multiple earth quakes we've had this century.  

I think the point is that the long-term effects of this disaster could (and probably will) outstrip any other disaster, be it man-made (9/11, Hiroshima) or natural (Katrina, earthquakes).

If that's the point ABC and C3PX are making, I'm in agreement.

TV's Frink said:

...'cause I'm kind a stoopid.

A B C said:

You're probably right Frink...

Hey!

Ooops... Hem. Sorry! "Probably" was just a way to speak.

Stobbed?  Lol.

Fine.  I'll let it go.

CP3X, I highly appreciate your lucidity (and your good memory). Anyway, I'm just passing through and I can't be bothered by anything which may bump that thread. Only Post 1 matters here.

Btw, speaking about memory, seems that Frink has finally learned the use of a useful word in his own language:

TV's Frink said:

That video was BORING!!! Not a single joke in it.

 He now knows the use and sense of the word "boring" he couldn't get when I used it to apologize. Glad to have been of any help ;)

(ABC is the blured part of the picture... Remember ?... The french proverb!)

C3PX said:

Notice how you listed recent events? Rather than listing the Pompei or some other ancient attack on a nation? Even though those things might be of historical significance to you, I doubt you have the same feelings about Pompi as you do about Katrina, or even the same feelings about Pearl Harbor as you do 911.

Minor point: the discussion was about the 21st century.

I said I would let it go, but I would like to know about this as well.  C3PX stated what he thought ABC meant, and I stated that if he was correct, I would consider the apology sincere and the matter ended.  Unfortunately ABC never responded, leaving me to assume that I was originally correct.

So ABC, which way did you mean to use "boring?"

^Fair enough.

Yeah, I know.  I think it's fair of me to ask ABC to explain what he meant.

C3PX said:

Shit. I now regret having made my post inquiring about this. Should have asked in PM... :(

 No problem, "boring" for most of us french means "annoying".

Thank you ABC.  Matter closed, back to topic!

C3PX said:

    Warbler said:

        C3PX said:
         A large quantity of people dying at once seems tragic and all, but the lasting effect is quite minor.

    minor?  tell that to the people that lost loved ones on 911 and from Katrina.   I also don't consider the lasting effects of having your home(and everything in it) destroyed(as happened to many in Katrina) as minor.


Everything and everyone dies eventually. A few less people isn't going to harm anything. Sure, it is tragic for families, but in the grand scheme of things incidents like Katrina and 911 aren't even a blip. Losing your home sucks and all, I wouldn't like it, but in the end, it doesn't really matter, it is of no universal significance.

I would never call 911 or Katrina a blip. 

C3PX said: A few less people isn't going to harm anything.

I really hope you are being sarcastic here.   otherwise this comes off as very offensive.

C3PX said: Losing your home sucks and all, I wouldn't like it, but in the end, it doesn't really matter,

it matters to the person/people that lost their home(s).

C3PX said:Notice how you listed recent events? 

I listed recent events because A.B.C.  tried to argue the oil disaster was the worst of the 21st century.   I tried to argue that there were others that were worse.  Any disaster in the 21 century would a recent one cause the century's is only 10 years old.   Pompei has nothing to do with this cause it didn't happen in the 21st century.  

C3PX said:

Minor counter point: the discussion is about the 21st century as will be looked back on by other centuries. Comment was made to add perspective. Will guys like Warb a thousand years from now read about Katrina and 911 and feel the same way Warb does about them?  

probably not, but it still doesn't mean that 911 and Katrina aren't worse than the oil disaster. 

C3PX said: Or will they feel the same way we typically do (usually with intrigue, rather than pity) when we read of disasters that are recorded historically, like Pompei.  

will the oil disaster be regarded as any different?

C3PX said:

I have a feeling this whole oil incident could be equated more closely to Nero's alleged burning of Rome in the long run. A historical shooting in the foot with severe long term repercussions.

I disagree, I think most people look at the burning of Rome with intrigue, like they do with Pompei.   

Warb, I think you are missing the point for the most part.  No one thinks 9/11 and Katrina weren't tragedies or they won't be remembered as such.  The point is that oil spill represents such a potential harm to the planet that it could dwarf the effects of the other incidents.

If I'm misrepresenting anyone, please knock me down a peg or two ;-)

I don't think the old spill will be that bad.   no worse than exxon valdez.   besides, I thought the conservatives on here believe that mankind is totally incapable of destroying the planet.   The oil spill will kill alot of fish and other animals, but in time, it will get cleaned up just like valdez.   Valdez is a blip, not 911.