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The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 28

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Well, that is what I meant of course, I didn't mean he'd be flying around like a bird, only hover just above the ground.

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How about giant holographic jabba?

Though still, i'd much rather see the biggs-luke scene from tatooine reinstated somehow.

 

I love how the jabba scene was used in the Grindhouse Star Wars.

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The only thing that annoys me about A New Hope is the approach to Mos Eisley, it was poor in the GOUT (blurry landspeeder with toy figures with a massive dark blurry shadow approaching a lifeless group of buildings with a white sky)

 

 Poor also after the speeder got through the checkpoint as they made their way to the Cantina.

 

In the SE and the footage Adywan used, the approach looks wayyyy to CG, it just jumps out at you and says "Look at me I'm new here!! all done by a computer you know!!"

Ady did trim out the stupid gags which doesn't make it as sickly as the SE versions, but if there was a way to replace these scenes with something less jarring.

(by the way same goes for the stupid CG Dewbacks)

J

 

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Timstuff said:

Hmm, good find. I agree that the choir-less version might merge better with the rest of the soundtrack, and it could also help to make it sound less like a rehash of episode III's duel music and more like a reference to it.


Also, I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again... I really think that the scene where Obi-Wan ignites his lightsaber should be re-touched. I admire Adywan's initiative to adress the problem that the original shot had, but I think a better approach to it would be to try and fix the original shot rather than replacing it with a new shot that I felt was not an improvement in terms of how convincing it was.

The problem with the original shot is that Obi-Wan's robe "jumps" when he ignites the saber. It should be possible to fix this with a simple morph, though, along with a couple of other little tricks.

Well said.  I'm in agreement with Timstuff.  This was the one and only visual change in Revisited that seemed sub-par from a mere technical standpoint only (leaving aesthetics aside).  The saber simply looks fake and/or Obi-Wan is standing still too long.  Perhaps this stood out even more, because the rest of the movie was so damn amazing and seamless.

Clearly, the debate is endless as far as what people would like to see, or what other changes could be made beyond Adywan's.  But for me, Obi-Wan's igniting his lightsaber for the main, climactic duel is the only thing that actually looks fake in Revisited, and possibly the only thing that can be "fixed" beyond purely artistic or editing choices, (including choice of music, etc.)

I haven't seen the Purist Edition.  How is the Obi-Want's saber addressed in that one?

Some other thoughts (on mere aesthetics):

JABBA SCENE: Keep it out; I think it slows down the movie at a point when some tension is starting to build to get the heck out of Mos Eisley.  Greedo was already after Han and the Stormtroopers are in search of the droids.  Also, just mentioning Jabba's name without showing him builds some mystique until ROTJ.  Furthermore, why did Jabba hire bounty hunters if he was going to go to Mos Eisley himself and look for Han??  Because he's fat and lazy that's why.... throw it on a deleted scenes reel where it always belonged.

MIND PROBE DROID SCENE:  Doesn't really matter.  It's slightly better than a bare needle and I'm not sure what else could be devised to improve it.  Ady chose what he did, so go with it.  Ultimately, it's such a minor issue, I don't think it's worth spending to much time on.

DUEL OF FATES MUSIC: I kind of liked it, and thought it mirrored ROTS well and matched the pace of the new, faster cut very effectively.  If you didn't like it, go with the Purist Edition right?  Problem solved.

BIGGS ON TATOOINE SCENE: Personally, I would love to see it included in the main version of the film somehow.  I think it would really tie into the Luke/Biggs reunion before they take off for the Death Star attack.  Unfortunately, I don't know if that footage can be restored to a level on par with the rest of the film.  Also, Luke seemingly acts a little childish and out of character, but what the hell, he's still a farm-boy at that point.  Also, Biggs' has a bad-ass cape and just looks very "Star Warsy."  Finally, change Luke's x-wing line back to "Blasted Biggs, where are you?" to tie it all back together.

 

 

Can you trust him?  No, but he has no love for the Empire, I can tell you that.

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While I continue to understand A) the confusion generated by Adywan being mentioned in the title of this thread and B) the convenience of using ANH:R as a point of reference, this thread wasn't intended to be a what would you add or subtract to ANH:R thread, more a continuation of some of the discussions and idea brainstorming that took place before and during the making of that project.

Other ANH:SE projects exist and they have there own project threads.

I hope that the ideas here have and will continue to be helpful to other people thinking about making further adjustments to ANH:SE.

I'm renaming this thread in the hope that perhaps it will prompt more ideas beyond looking at what Ady did and just adjusting the recipe to taste.

Many of the ideas here are already more than that and if this thread is to be useful a little course correction might lead to a more creative discussion space.

 

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remove greedo's gun altogether so that there is no doubt that Han shot first

Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?

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I was just speaking about the idea of somehow seeing Vader learn of Luke in AnH. Alas that is pretty much a fan fantasy which ILM will never actually put together as an extra scene for AnH.

One potential (much easier) idea I had to substitute for such an idea is to modify the scene in the DS trench run when Vader says "the Force is strong in this one". Perhaps more can be made to really highlight that scene? Maybe a dramatic pause in the dialogue..."The force......is....strong in this one" or maybe even some new subtle dialogue addition? Perhaps just linger a bit longer on Vader as if he's feeling a tremor in the force or something unusual as we cut back to Luke's ship in flight.

Maybe even directly link that up as a distraction which allows Han to get the drop on him?

Unfortunately there's no way I could put this together on my crappy PC...but maybe someone else could as a test?

 

Anyway just an idea.

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That's an interesting new look though there is something rather clever about how the original lighting strips enhance the sense of a giant chasm.

Your concept might work better if you put more of those graphic pointers back in.

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Bingowings said:

That's an interesting new look though there is something rather clever about how the original lighting strips enhance the sense of a giant chasm.

Your concept might work better if you put more of those graphic pointers back in.

Yeah i thought that the next day.:D

The concept is like someone said...the path to the dark side: PTize the OT.

Add variation and fix/avoid as much as possible the nonsense and the 70's look lightning. I did my research and all the corridors from the death star are the same or flipped so the heroes/villains have passed from the same hall more that one time.

Even like you said there is nothing clever to a more revealing backdrop. I still find the lines and dynamics good enough for the age of the film. Still the concept is to make it as a decent, eliminating most if not all the "classic nostalgia" parts.

 

-Angel

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Some shots im testing...

Due the boring retro lighint setup of deathstar i thought to make some test renders of a more open and new BG that will match with the rest.

Plus Considering the camera stays in the same place all the time i can cheat pseudo altering the angle so no shot is the same with the previous.

You can notice the vignette effect that most of the top part of the shot/sets have. This need to be gone.

Also same set(ignore the extended bridge)

Also in the shootout sequence there are 7 same camera placed close shots and 3 long ones showing stormies .not to mention the hero ones.

i like the idea of the floor is more lighted and glowing like we see it when vader interrogates leia.

Now our heroes are further from the danger rather are only 10 meters from them.

Tried to make more uniform walls with less hard shadows.

Same..

The idea here was to move tarkin in the other side so he has "space" to look at his right.

Also moved for a more dramatic angle.

Brighten up the ship so now it looks a bit more realrather a bad lighted prop

Also note that this shot is the same when teh pod escapes. Only that the SD element is slight bigger.

here is a test of extending the shot/hangar so the camera can pan a bit. The idea is to simulate the awesome painting of mc quarrie and brake that cheap set piece of ANH


-Angel

 

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I love how grey the Deathstar is now and how sallow-skinned Tarkin is. He looks truly evil now. :D

Also, the alterations are awesome ;)

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Get rid of those wheels on those chairs

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You've done an awesome job on these Angel but I don't think there's any need of altering the sets and the colors are obviously just desaturated to the verge of black and white and that makes it look...I don'tknow... unstarwarsy. And Tarkin looks too much like a zombie. But I guess I'm just too much of a purist to appreciate such changes :-)

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I don't think there's any need of altering the sets

You have seen nothing yet. All the boring stuff will be gone. All i need is time

and the colors are obviously just desaturated to the verge of black and white and that makes it look...I don'tknow... unstarwarsy

ANH:R didnt hurt you much eh? ;) Credit to ady for inspiration

And Tarkin looks too much like a zombie

I know and i like that way ;)

But I guess I'm just too much of a purist to appreciate such changes :-)

Its a movie. I see it as a canvas.

 

-Angel

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timdiggerm said:

As much as those look cool, Angel, they're a long ways from footage, aren't they?

Also, way too colorless.

No idea who knows :P

Will work the color in later tests ;)

All you see are tests and ideas that can give ideas to other editors.

 

-Angel

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vaderios said:

timdiggerm said:

As much as those look cool, Angel, they're a long ways from footage, aren't they?

Also, way too colorless.

No idea who knows :P

Will work the color in later tests ;)

All you see are tests and ideas that can give ideas to other editors.

 

-Angel

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"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Awesome!!! :D

Thanks for that mr J. ;)

Get rid of those wheels on those chairs

Fixed! Thanks for the idea! It feels more spacey now.

 

-Angel

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Oh, so you were serious about the floating chairs?

Hmmm....