no, i think i can see where you are going wrong. When importing side 2 you need to drag it so that the beginning of this side is in sync with the gout audio before you correct the timing. Don't just drag it until it touches the end of side 1 as this won't work. are you using a 5.1 track or a stereo one for your new audio?
I am using the ESB stereo theatrical mix from my old LD's that is not present on any DVD release at the moment, I obviously would like to change that, but what I learn here I will need to know for the ROTJ stereo theatrical as well.
So no I am not using any 5.1, it is all stereo, the track I am syncing to is the original gout 2ch ac3 converted to stereo, so stereo to stereo.
1 more thing, what about overlapping of files?
when you get any overlap just drag the end or beginning of one of the audio tracks to remove most of the overlap but making sure that you're not cutting off any of the audio from both sources.The overlapping is to ensure smooth transition. Just play about with everything as i find this is the best way to learn Vegas.
To export the file just goto "render" and select AC3 as your output. Vegas has a AC3 preset for both 5.1 and stereo
I wonder if you'd be able to export them as WAV files first and later convert them to AC3 for your DVDs. Mainly because I (and, I'm sure, many others) would love to have PCM copies of all the original audio mixes.
For instance, I don't use DVDs anymore - I rip them to high-quality MKVs that I play on a Seagate FreeAgent Theater+ off of my hard drive. With your V1 DVDs, Dark_Jedi, I used MKVTools to strip ANH of your AC3 audio and replace it with the PCM mono and '77 stereo mixes. I'd like to be able to do the same with ESB and ROTJ, so I could have the PCM stereo mixes alongside hairy_hen's 5.1 AC3 mixes.
I'd still recommend using AC3 for the DVDs themselves, but I think a lot of people here would greatly appreciate you making these mixes available in a lossless format as well.
yes, you can export the audio from vegas as wavs and many other formats
If this is working out, then that's great! If it isn't, send me the unaltered captures of the laserdisc audio directly and I'll see what I can do with it. I would synch it directly to the '93 mix, since I don't have anything to run it with the video at the same time (and that's less precise anyway as Satanika said).
I think using small segments of the '93 mix to replace any gaps in the theatrical track would be ideal, then you wouldn't have to worry about stretching and pitch-shifting and all that rubbish. Short crossfades will ensure the absence of any jump-cuts between the different sources, but the exact transition points must be chosen carefully--be wary of transitions that may take place during a music cue especially, because then any differences in imaging and sound quality will be the most noticeable and distracting.
ChainsawAsh said:
Dark_Jedi's not using the time-compressed LDs, since those would be generally more difficult to work with than the ones that aren't time-compressed.
The non-time-compressed ones alone have enough differences in frame counts compared to the GOUT that some stretching - and possibly some filling-in from the 85 or 93 mixes - may be necessary to create a complete, synchronized track.
I realize that. But, for my own custom project, I may only be able to gain access to the time-compressed LDs...which brings me back to my question: Is a pitch-change from the studio's speed-up of these discs? Thanks ;)
OK I think I am getting it now, but side 5 is really being a pain the arse! I slide the start of the track until it is lined up, then go to the end and set timing and the middle is off, but both ends are OK, also I have gaps in between the LD sides, so maybe just take what is missing from the '93 track? it certainly is very minute at most.
dark_jedi said:
OK I think I am getting it now, but side 5 is really being a pain the arse! I slide the start of the track until it is lined up, then go to the end and set timing and the middle is off, but both ends are OK, also I have gaps in between the LD sides, so maybe just take what is missing from the '93 track? it certainly is very minute at most.
looks like you'll need to do a cut or two first. Return side 5 back to its normal timing and go through the track to see where it starts going out noticeably and make a cut, then sync the beginning of the new section and do the same again. if you've got gaps between sides then just patch them with the '93, making sure to blend the two sources in as there may be volume differences
LOL how do I make cuts in track 1 and track 2, can you trim sections out and paste into track 2? it would be nice if this was similar to Womble in video editing, now that is easy.
I think once I figure out how to cut out the sections I need from the '93 and place into track 2, and cut track 2 for syncing, I should be able to finish this up sometime.
just click on the audio track you want to make a cut to highlight the wavform then get the cursor to the start position of your cut and press "s". you should now have a splice cut. Now move it to your end position for your cut and do the same thing. Then just click on the cut piece, keeping the left mouse button down, and drag it into your new track. you could do with "enable snapping" enabled for this part as you don't want this section to be out of sync. it will lock to the beginning of the splice on your first track a lot easier when dragging it down.
Trust me, once you get the hang of editing in vegas you'll never want to touch something as basic as womble again. lol
Just wanna say thanks to d_j for some terrific work on the GOUT-sourced that's currently available. The fact that you continue to toil away makes you, like, the Dr. Ebbetts of the OT. Who, eventually, got what he wanted.
adywan said:
just click on the audio track you want to make a cut to highlight the wavform then get the cursor to the start position of your cut and press "s". you should now have a splice cut. Now move it to your end position for your cut and do the same thing. Then just click on the cut piece, keeping the left mouse button down, and drag it into your new track. you could do with "enable snapping" enabled for this part as you don't want this section to be out of sync. it will lock to the beginning of the splice on your first track a lot easier when dragging it down.
Trust me, once you get the hang of editing in vegas you'll never want to touch something as basic as womble again. lol
Thanks Ady, I will try this out sometime today, need to take a Starbucks break for a while.
LOL it is always something, I am following your instructions but when I hit the "s" key nothing happens, and I have the track highlighted.
Has the file in the track been highlighted too because that needs to be highlighted for the split function to work. You can also use your keyboards arrow keys to progress through the timeline frame by frame if you need to be more accurate with your editing
Thanks Ady as always, I got it now and know what to do, check here soon for a full blown sample, I NEED people to grab this and take a listen and let me know if it needs more work, you will need the ESB GOUT video though and the file will be ac3, NO PCM file will be uploaded until I am certain it is right, so PLEASE grab this and check it out.
The file is ac3 @ 224
Downloading it now . . .
I'll check it as soon as I am able--going away for a couple days for my girlfriend's birthday, so there will be a short delay, but I'll report back on it as soon as I can.
Thank you dark_jedi for struggling with getting this audio track available, I'll also check if the sync is alright.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
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Thanks hairy_hen and msycamore, apparently this audio is not as important as I once thought, only 2 people to check it out for me,hmmm.
I wonder if I will get just as much interest in Jedi as well, if there really is no interest in this audio please let me know and I won't waste my time with it, or I will just send this audio to those interested only.
Let's not get too hasty there, fella! I'm plenty interested in the results, but I don't really have the skills or software to check the immediate results.
EDIT: I'm gonna DL the thing and try it anyway. Now where did I put my copy of Vegas...
Oh, don't worry, there's interest. I'm downloading it right now!
I can't emphasize enough how much help I need on these, after listening for so long you WANT it to sound right whether it really is or not, so I need some of you guys here that know how to add this to the GOUT video and just really skim through it as best you can, this file that I have for you guys now is my very first audio edit, and I have to admit, it is very, very time consuming and can rally get aggravating! but with Ady's EXCELLENT pointers and tips, this was actually kind of fun, in a weird kind of time consuming, aggravating way LOL.
dark_jedi said:
apparently this audio is not as important as I once thought, only 2 people to check it out for me,hmmm.
Um, it's more like a lot of people just don't know about that stuff. Don't worry about it. The ones that do check it out would likely give you far more useful feedback than if, say, someone like me tried. ;)
Ripplin said:
dark_jedi said:
apparently this audio is not as important as I once thought, only 2 people to check it out for me,hmmm.
Um, it's more like a lot of people just don't know about that stuff. Don't worry about it. The ones that do check it out would likely give you far more useful feedback than if, say, someone like me tried. ;)
Actually I think you are wrong there, you would be surprised at what people can find, the more the merrier, because I really want to get this as right as I can, is that asking to much? I think not.